--- Log opened Wed Jun 17 00:00:25 2026 --- Day changed Wed Jun 17 2026 00:00 -!- dery [~dery@2a01:e11:301a:4192::10] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00 -!- dery [~dery@2a01:e11:301a:4192::10] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00 -!- dery [~dery@2a01:e11:301a:4192::10] has joined #dri-devel 00:00 -!- dery [~dery@2a01:e11:301a:4192::10] has joined #wayland 00:00 #nouveau: < mohamexiety[d]> still some cleanup left but rusd on hwmon is working. there’s something I have to verify too and it’s app support because mangohud still goes “no, nouveau is unsupported, skipping” 00:00 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> heh... 00:00 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> doesn't it support hwmon... 00:01 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> I guess hwmon sucks, because finding the right device sucks... 00:01 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> do we have vulkan exts to report those things? 00:01 #nouveau: < mohamexiety[d]> also the rusd struct in 570 doesn’t have some of the fancier stuff like fan rpm reading (this comes in 580 iirc) for example, but if the 595 work goes through it’ll be easy to update this stuff 00:01 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> though they can just get the PCI bus info lol 00:02 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> mohamexiety[d]: I suspect it also contains engine loads? or is that on a different interface? 00:02 #nouveau: < mohamexiety[d]> it does but that has to be wired up elsewhere 00:02 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> ahh 00:02 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> voltage information is also something we could expose, lol 00:02 #nouveau: < mohamexiety[d]> There’s other info too that hwmon can’t express 00:02 #nouveau: < mohamexiety[d]> karolherbst[d]: That’s not there even in 610 sadly 00:02 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> ehh.. shame on nv 😄 00:03 #nouveau: < mohamexiety[d]> Even the prop driver doesn’t expose it 00:03 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> we could poke the hw directly lol... but.... 00:03 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> mohamexiety[d]: it's like two MMIO reads lol 00:03 -!- daemonspudguy [~daemonspu@00032e14.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.9.0] 00:03 #nouveau: < mohamexiety[d]> Nah you don’t directly poke registers anymore 00:03 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> well.. and vbios parsing 00:03 -!- daemonspudguy [~daemonspu@173.81.56.130] has joined #freedesktop 00:04 #nouveau: < mohamexiety[d]> GSP outputs all the stuff in a memory page, so all we have to do is just tell it to poll and check 00:04 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> yeah.. but voltage at least was.. just a PWM or GPIO based stepping thing and you can just read out the value 00:04 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> but not sure if reading is privileged or not 00:06 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> but also GPU voltages are like super irrelevant info, lol 00:06 #nouveau: < mohamexiety[d]> mohamexiety[d]: As for this imo we will need to do our own thing in addition, basically a sysfs thingy similar to how amdgpu for example does it, and then expose all that stuff there. Then mangohud and other apps can use that instead of hwmon. But this will need input from other people as well since Nova should end up using the same thing as well etc 00:07 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> ... yeah... I wished we could have a standard interface for it, but building such an interface also kinda sucks, given how different hw is 00:07 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> at least we should be able to expose clocks 00:07 -!- dorileo [~dorileo@134.134.139.77] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:07 -!- dorileo [~dorileo@134.134.139.77] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:07 -!- dorileo [~dorileo@134.134.139.77] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:07 -!- dorileo [~dorileo@134.134.139.77] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:07 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has joined #dri-devel 00:12 #nouveau: < mohamexiety[d]> I couldn’t actually find clocks in hwmon either 00:12 #nouveau: < mohamexiety[d]> amdgpu exposes clocks via non standard sysfs entries 00:12 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> ahh no, I meant in our own interface then 00:12 #nouveau: < mohamexiety[d]> Oh yeah 00:13 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> _but_ having a hwmon thing for clocks sure would be useful 00:13 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> because of the tooling around it 00:14 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> I _wonder_ if hwmon maintainers would be willing to add a new type for it 00:14 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> having graphs for clocks in ksysguard of sysprofs would sure be cool 00:15 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> mhhh 00:15 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> could expose it as a PWM lol 00:15 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> `pwm_freq` is in `Hz` 00:16 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> I mean... 00:16 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> maybe just do it lol 00:16 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:16 #nouveau: < mhenning[d]> nooo pls don't lie about it being pwm that sounds terrible 00:17 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> yeah but it would just work 🙃 00:18 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> _though_ I wonder if we could just expose a core_freq file and if software would just eat it up 00:19 -!- Moprius [~Thunderbi@0002e253.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:19 -!- Moprius [~Thunderbi@0002e253.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:20 -!- mmu_man [~revol@82-65-227-82.subs.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:23 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has joined #dri-devel 00:32 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:39 -!- unerlige [~unerlige@192.55.55.48] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:39 -!- unerlige [~unerlige@192.55.55.48] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:41 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has joined #dri-devel 00:45 -!- nicoag [~nicoag@190.245.174.117] has quit [] 00:48 -!- worky [~Matthew@bras-base-otwaon1243w-grc-02-209-226-231-49.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #dri-devel 00:49 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:52 -!- willy [~Matthew@142.180.223.170] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:57 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has joined #dri-devel 00:59 #dri-devel: < karolherbst> jenatali: never actually checked what you are doing to select a good workgroup size, but I've been toying around with some ideas and I think I found something I'm happy with: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/42288 but I'm also kinda wondering about your approach there 01:02 -!- noodlez1232 [~noodlez12@2600:1700:4460:207f:3568:fe1a:19cc:9bb] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:02 -!- noodlez1232 [~noodlez12@2600:1700:4460:207f:fb04:420d:7667:f8f1] has joined #freedesktop 01:03 -!- vbelgaum [~Thunderbi@192.55.54.43] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:03 -!- vbelgaum [~Thunderbi@192.55.54.43] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:04 #dri-devel: < jenatali> karolherbst: https://github.com/microsoft/OpenCLOn12/commit/5141b78f784083499e3e164cf729ff88ec24f976 01:04 #dri-devel: < jenatali> Seems not too far off? 01:05 #dri-devel: < karolherbst> mhhhh 01:05 #dri-devel: < karolherbst> yeah... doing something prime based is kinda the more or less obvious choise 01:05 #dri-devel: < karolherbst> *choice 01:05 #dri-devel: < karolherbst> but I also have to take arbitrary thread limits into account and it kinda sucks if the driver tells you: 724 threads max :) 01:06 #dri-devel: < karolherbst> maybe I copy yours and see if that helps with anything 01:06 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:06 #nouveau: < airlied[d]> mohamexiety[d]: nice I had just looked at RUSD the other day to ponder it 01:07 #dri-devel: < karolherbst> though my "suggest_local_size_impl_run_down" algo shows great results... 01:08 #dri-devel: < karolherbst> I also tried to optimize against "make sure subgroups are as full as possible on average" and "pick workgroups as huge as possible" 01:08 #dri-devel: < karolherbst> _but_ 01:08 #dri-devel: < karolherbst> I also have a non-uniform workgroup that works on every hardware without having to emulate anything inside the kernel :D 01:09 #dri-devel: < karolherbst> but I still need a properly efficient workgroup size selection even with that 01:14 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has joined #dri-devel 01:22 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:26 #dri-devel: < elibrokeit> karolherbst: on the Gentoo side I suspect we'd be rather unhappy at vendoring a fork even just compared to being able to package the fork as "libclc". building from source is common and adding more compile time would be un-ideal 01:27 #dri-devel: < elibrokeit> maybe if it can be installed and used in our mesa_clc package (that builds mesa just to produce /usr/bin/mesa_clc/vtn_bindgen2 etc) that would be fine? 01:28 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has joined #dri-devel 01:30 #dri-devel: < elibrokeit> I'm curious if this is just a matter of a blessed commit or if upstream is never really in proper shape and it requires fixes anyway. rolling all the fixes into our llvm-project patchset may be viable (llvm is absolutely terrible about maintaining older versions so there is lots to patch...) 01:30 -!- animist [~animist@0002cdf7.user.oftc.net] has joined #freedreno 01:37 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:37 -!- The_Company [~Company@2a04:4540:6f1d:1100:2049:9ddb:8ed1:91bf] has joined #dri-devel 01:39 #dri-devel: < karolherbst> elibrokeit: many changes atm and almost no validation across implementations using it 01:40 #dri-devel: < karolherbst> but building libclc takes like... 10 seconds? 01:41 #dri-devel: < karolherbst> the other potential benefit of picked the libclc impl at compile time is that we could pre-cache the entire thing, which atm causes huge delays in initial start-up times 01:43 #dri-devel: < karolherbst> but also "having distributions pick patches" sounds like an awful model 01:44 -!- Company [~Company@2a04:4540:6f1f:9400:2049:9ddb:8ed1:91bf] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:45 #dri-devel: < karolherbst> but in the end it's really a correctness thing, and if there are any bugs due to having a bad libclc impl, those are awful and almost impossible to track down 01:45 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has joined #dri-devel 01:45 #dri-devel: < elibrokeit> hmm, it took 2 minutes on my machine to merge the libclc package. it builds 2150 ninja targets 01:46 #dri-devel: < elibrokeit> I asked the llvm maintainer in gentoo 01:47 #dri-devel: < elibrokeit> > you mean after all the time it was maintained independently, then merged to llvm-project for no good reason? 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compiler, though I could break the encryption all together than still I need to waste time on securing my western hardware and getting rid of the implant which is not fun, and dealing with devils isn’t fun overall. so 06:20 #nouveau: < mentorprovontsev> regardless if this core of the die for video has hw or fw video features which details I do not remember it’s the lowest possible todo rank I would assume. 06:22 #dri-devel: < tzimmermann> javierm, hi. can we deprecate CONFIG_SYSFB_SIMPLEFB and eventually remove it ? 06:24 -!- dolphin [~dolphin@134.191.227.48] has joined #dri-devel 06:24 -!- dolphin [~dolphin@134.191.227.48] has joined #intel-gfx 06:24 -!- Calandracas__ [~Calandrac@2607:f2c0:e4c6:760:cdaf:3c68:ce1c:171b] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:24 -!- Calandracas__ [~Calandrac@2607:f2c0:e4c6:760:cdaf:3c68:ce1c:171b] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:27 -!- leon-anavi [~Leon@46.55.231.62] has joined #wayland 06:27 -!- Deluxef [~Deluxe@212.4.150.151] has joined 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But I’ve been thinking more invasive methods yet to open up or crack/hack/break all 06:40 #nouveau: < bjarneholstrom> the encryption. 06:42 -!- Quibus [~quibus@2001:1c00:6e05:5000:b637:1d2b:c1af:fab4] has joined #radeon 06:49 #nouveau: < bjarneholstrom> well me myself is being utilized to achieve upper hand and position for Ukrainians in the ongoing war, all they needed was to take me to hostage which was and is a known trick of Estonian scammers which will lead us to a war with Russia, it’s super risky but they already sent the drones to the inner Russia to fire at gas and oil facilities and deposits so we are soon in a war actively, 06:49 #nouveau: < bjarneholstrom> my life hasn’t really took off I had dealt with devils only and suffered a lot on the way. 06:55 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:55 -!- sally [~sally@2a01:4f8:1c1a:44b6::1] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:55 -!- sally [~sally@2a01:4f8:1c1a:44b6::1] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:59 -!- frankbinns [~frankbinb@208.127.46.30] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:59 -!- frankbinns [~frankbinb@208.127.46.30] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:01 -!- misaccy [~misaccy@p4743095-ipxg00m01osakachuo.osaka.ocn.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:05 -!- bjarneholstrom [~bjarnehol@138.199.55.237] has left #nouveau [] 07:05 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e072:db7b:1935:1a3d] has joined #dri-devel 07:12 #freedesktop: < bentiss> mupuf: not enough sleep these days, yeah :( I was out doing some sport yesterday when the ping came. 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I was planning to disable it in Fedora and instead enable efidrm and vesadrm, did you already disable it in opensuse ? 07:35 #dri-devel: < tzimmermann> javierm, yes i did 07:36 #dri-devel: < tzimmermann> works nicely 07:36 #dri-devel: < javierm> tzimmermann: cool, it seems I missed Fedora 44 but I'll do a change request for Fedor 45 07:36 #dri-devel: < tzimmermann> great 07:37 #dri-devel: < javierm> but yeah, I agree with deprecating it and eventually removing it. Will simplify things a lot 07:37 -!- frankbinns [~frankbinb@208.127.46.30] has joined #freedesktop 07:37 -!- frankbinns [~frankbinb@208.127.46.30] has joined #dri-devel 07:41 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has joined #dri-devel 07:42 -!- bjarneholstrom [~bjarnehol@138.199.55.237] has joined #wayland 07:42 -!- bjarneholstrom [~bjarnehol@138.199.55.237] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:44 #dri-devel: < tzimmermann> then i'll send out a patch to update the kconfig text accordingly 07:49 #dri-devel: < javierm> tzimmermann: perfect, thanks! 07:52 -!- linyaa [uid590461@id-590461.tinside.irccloud.com] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 07:52 -!- linyaa [uid590461@id-590461.tinside.irccloud.com] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 07:52 -!- linyaa [uid590461@id-590461.tinside.irccloud.com] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 07:52 -!- linyaa [uid590461@id-590461.tinside.irccloud.com] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 07:52 -!- linyaa [uid590461@id-590461.tinside.irccloud.com] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 07:52 -!- linyaa [uid590461@id-590461.tinside.irccloud.com] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 07:54 #dri-devel: < jannau> debian is still using it (https://salsa.debian.org/kernel-team/linux/-/merge_requests/1453) 07:55 -!- Fijxu [~Fijxu@2001:550:5a00:785b::1] has joined #dri-devel 07:59 #dri-devel: < javierm> jannau: actually, it seems that is not using it (yet) ? 08:02 #dri-devel: < javierm> IMO they might move to CONFIG_DRM_{SIMPLE,VESADRM,EFI}DRM=y directly 08:04 #dri-devel: < mlankhorst> tzimmermann: is it my turn now or are you doing a final drm-misc-fixes pull? 08:05 -!- helmhotz [~helmhotz@103.156.200.251] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:05 #dri-devel: < tzimmermann> mlankhorst, hi. i can do another -fixes PR 08:06 #dri-devel: < tzimmermann> jannau, javierm, is that MR still open? 08:08 #dri-devel: < mlankhorst> tzimmermann: can stop if you want, drm-misc-next-fixes is empty. :) 08:09 #dri-devel: < tzimmermann> mlankhorst, in that case i'll happily hand over -fixes to you and do some vacation from PRs :D 08:09 #dri-devel: < mlankhorst> Enjoy! 08:10 #dri-devel: < javierm> tzimmermann: yeah, it seems is still open because they had some bugs in grub that needed to be fixed first 08:10 #dri-devel: < javierm> but the grub changes seems to be merged already which was the blocker 08:10 #dri-devel: < tzimmermann> ok, i see. 08:10 #dri-devel: < javierm> I'm not a debian developer though so I might not be looking at the correct places :) 08:11 #dri-devel: < javierm> tzimmermann: but hence my point that given is still open, they could just update the MR to enable the per platform DRM drivers instead 08:11 #dri-devel: < tzimmermann> indeed 08:12 #dri-devel: < tzimmermann> and in any case, we're no going to remove the option from release kernels. what ever they have will continue to work. and switching to efidrm is easy 08:12 #dri-devel: < javierm> tzimmermann: agreed 08:15 -!- pbrobinson [~pbrobinso@2001:8b0:fb11:1:f1ec:ff41:7463:94e3] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:15 -!- bjarneholstrom [~bjarnehol@138.199.55.237] has joined #wayland 08:15 -!- bjarneholstrom [~bjarnehol@138.199.55.237] has joined #nouveau 08:17 -!- jsa1 [~jsa@134.191.196.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:17 -!- jsa1 [~jsa@134.191.196.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:17 -!- jsa1 [~jsa@134.191.196.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:21 #nouveau: < bjarneholstrom> physical processes beg to for me to take a break a little, eyes especially get tired, otherwise I am in shape, no real ransom or seriously taken extortion event has been met and that implant hasn’t harmed yet nor killed me so today it’s not the worst yet, I published only the hardest low level procedures rest is bit easier and has been talked about before, which is ending to be needing 08:21 #nouveau: < bjarneholstrom> many iterations to generate in double rounds packing and technically I should be there in heaven with my work , at divine end. 08:21 #freedesktop: < mupuf> bentiss : sad to hear... 08:25 #dri-devel: < jannau> javierm: as usual I mixed it up with FB_SIMPLE 08:26 -!- apinheiro [~infapi00@fanzine2.igalia.com] has joined #dri-devel 08:27 -!- phasta [~pstanner@p200300d9671b1d00c253a14262d818e9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #dri-devel 08:27 -!- phasta [~pstanner@p200300d9671b1d00c253a14262d818e9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #nouveau 08:31 #nouveau: < bjarneholstrom> I actually already had explained to all of my best friends that United States as per companies or such have everything and they are impossibly positioned at for my type of person to be picking a fight with my alliances, they have mass production of all ASICS, FPGAs and yet quantum computers too in many forms, I can not sustain or maintain such conflicts. 08:32 -!- Calandracas [~Calandrac@135-23-94-101.cpe.pppoe.ca] has joined #wayland 08:32 -!- Calandracas [~Calandrac@135-23-94-101.cpe.pppoe.ca] has joined #dri-devel 08:32 #dri-devel: < tzimmermann> if only i could remove this as well 08:34 #dri-devel: < javierm> tzimmermann: yeah, I didn't want to touch fbdev drivers 08:34 #dri-devel: < javierm> jannau: it's all very confusing :) 08:35 #dri-devel: < javierm> tzimmermann: but I think there's a ton of fbdev drivers that could be removed now that we have DRM drivers for these 08:35 #dri-devel: < tzimmermann> javierm, i'd assume it's ~90% 08:36 #dri-devel: < tzimmermann> i'm sure no one is useing these old drivers any longer. the only exception might be the drivers for atari and amiga. AFAIK there's still a community around those systems 08:37 #dri-devel: < javierm> tzimmermann: yeah, maybe we should try to remove them and see if anyone complains ? 08:37 #dri-devel: < tzimmermann> helge, the fbdev maintainer will complain. although i don't think he has a use case either :) 08:37 #dri-devel: < javierm> I know that the net maintainers have been doing more agressive old drivers removal now that people are using LLMs to find CVEs all over the place 08:38 -!- bjarneholstrom [~bjarnehol@138.199.55.237] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:38 -!- bjarneholstrom [~bjarnehol@138.199.55.237] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:39 #dri-devel: < javierm> tzimmermann: https://lwn.net/Articles/1068928/ 08:39 #dri-devel: < javierm> I think the same logic applies to fbdev, likely those old drivers are full of vulnerabilities 08:40 #dri-devel: < tzimmermann> i'd think so 08:41 #dri-devel: < javierm> tzimmermann: but yeah, if the maintainer itself of the subsystem is happy to keep the drivers and deal with the LLM-created patch load, it's on him I guess 08:43 -!- bjarneholstrom [~bjarnehol@138.199.55.237] has joined #nouveau 08:43 -!- bjarneholstrom [~bjarnehol@138.199.55.237] has joined #wayland 08:50 #dri-devel: < mlankhorst> tzimmermann: Looks like airlied already created a drm-next tag, only 3 patches in fixes, so I think I'm skipping this weeks pull request too and send a normal one next week. :) 08:50 #nouveau: < bjarneholstrom> what is yet astonishing is that 13trits of ternary presentation holds to turn fpgas to some certain types of quantum or pre quantum compliance computers but I’d say before things can be logically sort of both then they need to be none of both before, so then question arises how much of both only, so if they are none the others exactly that is way larger spectrum and that none is needing 08:50 #nouveau: < bjarneholstrom> a term and this is going to be a carry, but probability to present powers of twos and results is 100% more complex human brain hierarchy’s can be presented which would be living on top of ternary still, cause that’s most efficient in numerology. you would know that from sort of nuclear chain reaction 2 to 4 and 4 to 8 but ternary based is with lower losses and higher efficiency. 08:52 -!- bjarneholstrom [~bjarnehol@138.199.55.237] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:52 -!- bjarneholstrom [~bjarnehol@138.199.55.237] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:53 -!- sally [~sally@2a01:4f8:1c1a:44b6::1] has joined #dri-devel 08:53 -!- sally [~sally@2a01:4f8:1c1a:44b6::1] has joined #ml-mainline 08:54 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:55 -!- ingenarel [~ingenarel@7YZAAPVOK.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [] 08:58 #dri-devel: < tzimmermann> mlankhorst, ok 08:58 -!- bala [~Balasubra@198.175.68.52] has joined #intel-gfx 08:58 -!- bala [~Balasubra@198.175.68.52] has joined #dri-devel 08:58 -!- Raito_Bezarius [~Raito@2001:bc8:38ee:100::10] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:59 -!- garnacho [~garnacho@2001:1c00:2402:c500:dc27:7cd:55ba:41c8] has joined #wayland 09:00 -!- jsa1 [~jsa@134.191.197.182] has joined #freedesktop 09:00 -!- jsa1 [~jsa@134.191.197.182] has joined #dri-devel 09:00 -!- jsa1 [~jsa@134.191.197.182] has joined #intel-gfx 09:00 -!- bjarneholstrom [~bjarnehol@138.199.55.237] has joined #nouveau 09:00 -!- bjarneholstrom [~bjarnehol@138.199.55.237] has joined #wayland 09:01 -!- TMM [hp@amanda.tmm.cx] has quit [Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. 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up/out with the correct tile the answer is at. 09:26 -!- jsa1 [~jsa@134.191.196.181] has joined #freedesktop 09:26 -!- jsa1 [~jsa@134.191.196.181] has joined #dri-devel 09:26 #nouveau: < bjarneholstrom> in other words it’s nested lookup table in hash and addressed in that way 09:27 -!- jsa1 [~jsa@134.191.196.181] has joined #intel-gfx 09:27 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:27 -!- jsa1 [~jsa@134.191.196.181] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:27 -!- jsa1 [~jsa@134.191.196.181] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:27 -!- jsa1 [~jsa@134.191.196.181] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:27 #nouveau: < bjarneholstrom> it has index bits based of the carry and offset bits also based of the carry 09:28 #nouveau: < bjarneholstrom> but it’s per alu or value tables 09:28 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has joined #dri-devel 09:28 #nouveau: < bjarneholstrom> so 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the connection] 11:46 #dri-devel: < akien> airlied: Hi! I have a question regarding https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/work_items/14341 and the linked MR. I had this warning in Fedora 43's Mesa 25.3, and thought your MR would silence it. But now on F44 with Mesa 26.0.8, I still get the warning, just with error -9 instead of -3. 11:48 #dri-devel: < akien> Shouldn't the load avoid warning for VK_ERROR_INCOMPATIBLE_DRIVER when checking available ICDs? Or should we special case it and silence this application side? 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I see that the packed GPR should still exist there. 13:00 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:02 -!- juminords [~juminords@95.177.89.226] has joined #nouveau 13:02 -!- bluebugs [~cbail@129.222.139.197] has joined #wayland 13:02 -!- bluebugs [~cbail@129.222.139.197] has joined #dri-devel 13:05 -!- mmu_man [~revol@82-65-227-82.subs.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:05 -!- juminords [~juminords@95.177.89.226] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:05 -!- juminords [~juminords@95.177.89.226] has joined #nouveau 13:05 #freedesktop: < bentiss> :) 13:07 -!- siak_ [~quassel@213.139.72.138] has joined #dri-devel 13:08 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has joined #dri-devel 13:08 -!- siak [~quassel@193.32.248.156] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:09 -!- botero-dev [~Thunderbi@dynamic-190-25-42-16.dynamic.etb.net.co] has quit [] 13:09 -!- botero-dev [~Thunderbi@dynamic-190-25-42-16.dynamic.etb.net.co] has quit [] 13:10 -!- moa [~cbail@rx0so-red-point-media.cg.bigpipeinc.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:10 -!- moa [~cbail@rx0so-red-point-media.cg.bigpipeinc.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:11 #nouveau: < juminords> Ai responded already Taylor series and pade coefficients for base2 logs and to convert to another base it’s two logs and division of them, so arbitrary base exponent goes through the 2 in power of base2 log times arbitrary base , sure can be done but lookup tables are also more secure. 13:11 -!- coldfeet [~coldfeet@00031029.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:11 -!- coldfeet [~coldfeet@00031029.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:11 -!- coldfeet [~coldfeet@00031029.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:12 -!- juminords [~juminords@95.177.89.226] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:13 -!- bala_ [~Balasubra@117.211.18.116] has joined #dri-devel 13:13 -!- bala_ [~Balasubra@117.211.18.116] has joined #intel-gfx 13:16 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:16 -!- akien [~akien@2a02:aa7:404c:713b:d255:a987:7a6f:5d35] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:16 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has joined #dri-devel 13:19 -!- bala [~Balasubra@198.175.68.52] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:19 -!- bala [~Balasubra@198.175.68.52] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:20 -!- juminords [~juminords@95.177.89.226] has joined #nouveau 13:22 -!- juminords [~juminords@95.177.89.226] has left #nouveau [] 13:25 #dri-devel: < alyssa> elibrokeit: in general anything matching the regex /LL.*M/ is a hornet's nest ;P 13:25 -!- mmu_man [~revol@82-65-227-82.subs.proxad.net] has joined #nouveau 13:26 #dri-devel: < elibrokeit> yes.... 13:27 #dri-devel: < alyssa> elibrokeit: beware of beryllium 13:27 #dri-devel: < alyssa> and gallium for that matter 13:32 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:37 -!- YuGiOhJCJ [~YuGiOhJCJ@00021b1f.user.oftc.net] has quit [] 13:37 #freedreno: < glehmann> could ir3 use an uniform register for the phi in if (divergent) {} else {} phi(uniform, undef)? 13:37 #freedreno: < glehmann> NIR has the nir_divergence_ignore_undef_if_phi_srcs option for that, but only aco uses it at the moment 13:38 #freedreno: < glehmann> I think if ir3 can implement that, https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/41809 would also be useful for it 13:40 #dri-devel: < tzimmermann> mripard, this looks all good to me. unless i'm mistaken, the whole series has my r-b already 13:41 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has joined #dri-devel 13:41 -!- jsa2 [~jsa@134.191.197.182] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:41 -!- jsa2 [~jsa@134.191.197.182] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:41 -!- jsa2 [~jsa@134.191.197.182] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:43 #dri-devel: < mripard> tzimmermann: you had a reviewed-by on all the drivers one (but the cadence ones) but not the early ones I think? 13:43 #dri-devel: < mripard> but I take it I can add it everywhere then? 13:44 -!- jsa1 [~jsa@134.191.196.181] has joined #freedesktop 13:44 -!- jsa1 [~jsa@134.191.196.181] has joined #dri-devel 13:44 -!- jsa1 [~jsa@134.191.196.181] has joined #intel-gfx 13:44 -!- akien [~akien@0x57346fc4.static.cust.fastspeed.dk] has joined #dri-devel 13:46 -!- jsa1 [~jsa@134.191.196.181] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:46 -!- jsa1 [~jsa@134.191.196.181] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:46 -!- jsa1 [~jsa@134.191.196.181] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:48 -!- roselandgoose [~roselandg@185.26.156.6] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:49 #dri-devel: < tzimmermann> mripard, right! i looked over it again now, but it looks all good to me. feel free to add the r-bs 13:50 -!- roselandgoose [~roselandg@ijiraq.uberspace.de] has joined #nouveau 13:52 #intel-gfx: < tzimmermann> jani, could you please take a look at https://lore.kernel.org/dri-devel/20260610152505.260172-3-tzimmermann@suse.de/ ? it's part of a rework of the damage handling and affects i915/display 13:55 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:55 #dri-devel: < karolherbst> alyssa: I just noticed that the most fun part of moving libclc into mesa would be dealing with all those clang builtin functions :') 13:55 #dri-devel: < alyssa> which? 13:59 #dri-devel: < karolherbst> they use builtins for opcodes quite a bit, not sure how stable they are across clang versions: https://gist.githubusercontent.com/karolherbst/21907af0d20cfb1e16d521c3d1d1130a/raw/37a977240c4de7fdd3f11881b492fc8a8c5eb3fb/gistfile1.txt 13:59 #dri-devel: < karolherbst> but maybe they are all fine 14:00 -!- bonzini [~quassel@151.95.156.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:00 -!- dolphin [~dolphin@134.191.227.48] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:00 -!- dolphin [~dolphin@134.191.227.48] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:02 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has joined #dri-devel 14:11 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:12 -!- soreau [~soreau@0002b8b8.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:12 -!- soreau [~soreau@0002b8b8.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:12 -!- soreau [~soreau@0002b8b8.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:12 -!- soreau [~soreau@0002b8b8.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:13 -!- soreau [~soreau@75-163-193-139.clsp.qwest.net] has joined #wayland 14:13 -!- soreau [~soreau@75-163-193-139.clsp.qwest.net] has joined #radeon 14:13 -!- soreau [~soreau@0002b8b8.user.oftc.net] has joined #nouveau 14:13 -!- soreau [~soreau@0002b8b8.user.oftc.net] has joined #dri-devel 14:13 -!- minecrell [~minecrell@0002b481.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: :/] 14:13 -!- minecrell [~minecrell@0002b481.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: :/] 14:13 -!- sgerhold [~sgerhold@0003134e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: :/] 14:13 -!- sgerhold [~sgerhold@0003134e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: :/] 14:13 -!- frankbinns [~frankbinb@208.127.46.30] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:13 -!- frankbinns [~frankbinb@208.127.46.30] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:17 -!- JohnDoe_71Rus [~Johndoe_7@94.28.233.206] has joined #radeon 14:18 -!- daemonspudguy [~daemonspu@00032e14.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:20 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has joined #dri-devel 14:24 -!- Matombo [~Matombo@tempel.uberspace.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:25 -!- JohnDoe_71Rus [~Johndoe_7@94.28.233.206] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:27 -!- enginmanap [~oftc-webi@77-160-216-22.fixed.kpn.net] has joined #dri-devel 14:27 -!- Matombo [~Matombo@tempel.uberspace.de] has joined #dri-devel 14:29 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:29 -!- bonzini [~quassel@151.95.156.160] has joined #dri-devel 14:30 -!- ShyAssassin_ [~m-dmvert@102-182-38-149.ip.ahisp.co.za] has joined #wayland 14:32 -!- haaninjo [~anders@0001ac70.user.oftc.net] has joined #freedesktop 14:32 -!- haaninjo [~anders@0001ac70.user.oftc.net] has joined #dri-devel 14:32 -!- haaninjo [~anders@0001ac70.user.oftc.net] has joined #radeon 14:34 -!- frankbinns [~frankbinb@208.127.46.30] has joined #freedesktop 14:34 -!- frankbinns [~frankbinb@208.127.46.30] has joined #dri-devel 14:34 -!- JohnDoe_71Rus [~Johndoe_7@94.28.233.206] has joined #radeon 14:35 -!- ShyAssassin [~m-dmvert@102-182-38-149.ip.ahisp.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:35 -!- ShyAssassin_ is now known as ShyAssassin 14:37 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has joined #dri-devel 14:37 -!- daemonspudguy [~daemonspu@00032e14.user.oftc.net] has joined #freedesktop 14:39 -!- dbaluta [uid444872@id-444872.lymington.irccloud.com] has joined #dri-devel 14:39 -!- dbaluta [uid444872@id-444872.lymington.irccloud.com] has joined #ml-mainline 14:40 -!- garnacho [~garnacho@2001:1c00:2402:c500:dc27:7cd:55ba:41c8] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:42 -!- JohnDoe_71Rus [~Johndoe_7@94.28.233.206] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:43 -!- kzd [~kzd@0002f376.user.oftc.net] has joined #radeon 14:43 -!- kzd [~kzd@0002f376.user.oftc.net] has joined #dri-devel 14:45 -!- Tom^ [~Tom^@h-178-174-137-172.NA.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:45 -!- Tom^ [~Tom^@h-178-174-137-172.NA.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:45 #dri-devel: < enginmanap> Hello everyone. I reported the following bug a month ago, but it didn't get auto-labeled, and seems like lost in the ocean without labels. I can't add labels either, and the how to create a bug report page doesn't have any more information. Can someone give me some hints? https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/work_items/15330 14:46 #dri-devel: < karolherbst> enginmanap: added the appropriate label 14:47 #dri-devel: < enginmanap> karolHerbst: thank you very much 14:47 #dri-devel: < karolherbst> enginmanap: though your mesa version is EoL and won't get updates from us 14:47 #dri-devel: < karolherbst> so probably better to report it against Debian. Unless you also hit the issue with an upstream supported version 14:47 #dri-devel: < karolherbst> which is.. 26.1 or newer 14:50 -!- bonzini [~quassel@151.95.156.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:50 -!- siak_ [~quassel@213.139.72.138] has quit [] 14:51 -!- JohnDoe_71Rus [~Johndoe_7@94.28.233.206] has joined #radeon 14:54 -!- sgerhold [~sgerhold@0003134e.user.oftc.net] has joined #dri-devel 14:54 -!- sgerhold [~sgerhold@0003134e.user.oftc.net] has joined #freedreno 14:55 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:57 #dri-devel: < enginmanap> karolherbst: thanks for the info. I will look into which project would be better suited. 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Why are you trying to copy directly between different GPUs instead of going via an intermediate udmabuf? AIUI with very few exceptions this will do a copy via a main memory buffer anyway. And/or you'll pay an additional price when you actually use the buffer later. 16:29 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> anybody want to review the uub MR? I want to start rely on it for more address calc optimizations: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/38319 16:29 #wayland: < zamundaaa[m]> I can't rely on udmabuf (yet) because it's broken on Nvidia 16:30 #wayland: < oeuaoeuoeu[m]> Copies from/to linear work perfectly fine. I've used such copies to implement framebuffer-prime handling for a long time. 16:30 #wayland: < oeuaoeuoeu[m]> The problem seems to either only affect sampling but not the DMA engine, or it works for linear tiling. 16:31 #wayland: < oeuaoeuoeu[m]> Actually strike everything after the comma. 16:31 #wayland: < zamundaaa[m]> Right, if it works with Vulkan, that might be okay 16:32 #wayland: < oeuaoeuoeu[m]> AIUI you also use vulkan for these copies. 16:32 -!- akien_ [~akien@212.27.16.50.bredband.3.dk] has quit [] 16:32 #wayland: < zamundaaa[m]> Yes... but I also have to support EGL, since it sometimes supports a different set of modifiers than Vulkan 16:32 #wayland: < zamundaaa[m]> Maybe that's not an issue on Nvidia though 16:33 #wayland: < zamundaaa[m]> I know it happens on AMD 16:33 #wayland: < oeuaoeuoeu[m]> Does this work on nvidia? AIUI all of the "copy via the GPU" parts require the modifier to be renderable which the linear modifier isn't on nvidia. AFAIK there simply is no way to implement the equivalent of vkCmdCopyImageToBuffer on EGL on nvidia. 16:34 -!- hugeblank [~hugeblank@47-150-24-136.fdr02.tmcl.ca.ip.frontiernet.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.9.0] 16:35 #wayland: < zamundaaa[m]> I have code paths that could hit that anyways, since the copy to sysmem can use Vulkan and the second copy to a device-local buffer can use EGL. That shouldn't be hit with Nvidia though 16:35 #wayland: < zamundaaa[m]> I'll give it a shot 16:35 -!- Deluxef [~Deluxe@212.4.150.151] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:36 #wayland: < zamundaaa[m]> Do you know if the BSDs have any plans to support udmabuf btw? 16:36 #wayland: < oeuaoeuoeu[m]> No idea. 16:36 #nouveau: < chikuwad[d]> https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/31518 while we're doing reviews too pls and ty 16:36 #wayland: < zamundaaa[m]> We currently don't have any multi-GPU support on BSD anyways, so it won't block anything right now, but in the long term it would be nice to hard depend on udmabuf 16:38 -!- daemonspudguy [~daemonspu@00032e14.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.9.0] 16:38 -!- jarthur [~jarthur@2603:8080:1500:1a3e:25c8:5ac9:4926:2e23] has joined #freedesktop 16:38 -!- jarthur [~jarthur@2603:8080:1500:1a3e:25c8:5ac9:4926:2e23] has joined #radeon 16:39 -!- daemonspudguy [~daemonspu@173.81.56.130] has joined #freedesktop 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[~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has joined #dri-devel 17:14 -!- akien_ [~akien@0x57346fee.static.cust.fastspeed.dk] has joined #dri-devel 17:15 -!- yrlf is now known as Guest11501 17:15 -!- yrlf is now known as Guest11501 17:15 -!- yrlf [~yrlf@00027223.user.oftc.net] has joined #dri-devel 17:15 -!- yrlf [~yrlf@00027223.user.oftc.net] has joined #wayland 17:15 -!- Guest11501 [~yrlf@00027223.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:15 -!- Guest11501 [~yrlf@00027223.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:15 -!- amadaluzia [2cbc58d702@layka.disroot.org] has quit [Write error: connection closed] 17:15 -!- amadaluzia [2cbc58d702@layka.disroot.org] has quit [Write error: connection closed] 17:16 -!- akien_ [~akien@0x57346fee.static.cust.fastspeed.dk] has quit [] 17:16 -!- akien_ [~akien@0x57346fee.static.cust.fastspeed.dk] has joined #dri-devel 17:16 -!- amadaluzia [2cbc58d702@layka.disroot.org] has joined #wayland 17:16 -!- amadaluzia [2cbc58d702@layka.disroot.org] has joined #freedesktop 17:17 -!- akien_ is now known as akien 17:17 -!- Tom^ [~Tom^@192.71.204.13] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:17 -!- Tom^ [~Tom^@192.71.204.13] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:18 #dri-devel: < Company> I have a question - the long form of that question is in https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/merge_requests/10049 17:18 -!- bala_ [~Balasubra@117.211.18.116] has joined #dri-devel 17:18 -!- bala_ [~Balasubra@117.211.18.116] has joined #intel-gfx 17:18 #dri-devel: < Company> GTK has been using push constants for some generic state - scale factor, clip region, things like that 17:19 #dri-devel: < Company> now we've put enough data into those constant that we've run out of the 128 bytes limit - Mesa does 256, so that was fine, but Android doesn't 17:20 #dri-devel: < Company> and someone has ported it to use an UBO instead - one large buffer for all the constants we need and then we essentially BindBufferRange() the constants we want 17:21 #dri-devel: < Company> and then I wrote a benchmark specifically to test that 17:21 #dri-devel: < Company> and it works basically without performance difference on Intel or AMD 17:21 #dri-devel: < Company> but lavapipe is about 60% slower 17:22 #dri-devel: < Company> a quick comparison with sysprof points at is spending that time in llvmpipe_map_memory() called from the descriptor set binding code 17:23 -!- mmu_man [~revol@188410969.box.freepro.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:23 -!- daemonspudguy [~daemonspu@00032e14.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.9.0] 17:23 #dri-devel: < Company> so is GTK doing things wrong? Is lavapipe? Is this likely to happen with other drivers? What's going on? 17:23 #dri-devel: < karolherbst> feels like a perf issue of lavapipe 17:24 #dri-devel: < Company> https://i.imgur.com/emog3eQ.png is the sysprof flamegraph of the relevant parts 17:24 -!- bala__ [~Balasubra@192.55.79.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:24 -!- bala__ [~Balasubra@192.55.79.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:25 -!- CodeSpelunker [~CodeSpelu@pool-72-66-29-156.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #wayland 17:26 #dri-devel: < Company> I just don't want to cause slowdowns on uncommon hardware - like any of the mobile chips 17:27 -!- daemonspudguy [~daemonspu@173.81.56.130] has joined #freedesktop 17:27 -!- itsinatchita [~itsinatch@95.177.89.226] has joined #wayland 17:28 -!- itsinatchita [~itsinatch@95.177.89.226] has joined #nouveau 17:28 -!- mode/#nouveau [+b *!*@95.177.89.0/24] by ChanServ 17:28 -!- itsinatchita was kicked from #nouveau by ChanServ [You are not permitted on this channel] 17:28 -!- itsinatchita [~itsinatch@95.177.89.226] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:36 -!- PommeGolden [~pomme_ye@2a09:bac1:27e0:cc0::4e:a5] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:36 -!- akien [~akien@0x57346fee.static.cust.fastspeed.dk] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:37 -!- helmhotz [~helmhotz@103.156.200.251] has joined #dri-devel 17:38 -!- daemonspudguy [~daemonspu@00032e14.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:38 -!- daemonspudguy [~daemonspu@173.81.56.130] has joined #freedesktop 17:44 -!- daemonspudguy [~daemonspu@00032e14.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 17:45 -!- daemonspudguy [~daemonspu@00032e14.user.oftc.net] has joined #freedesktop 17:49 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:56 -!- jan_tilde_zone [~jan@2a11:fb80:356:6c00:1db0:4f42:2b71:608d] has quit [] 17:56 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has joined #dri-devel 17:58 #dri-devel: < alyssa> Company: whether push constants are "real" or not is firmly hw dependent, yeah. 17:58 -!- akien [~akien@0x57346fee.static.cust.fastspeed.dk] has joined #dri-devel 17:58 #dri-devel: < alyssa> although it usually saves an indirection 17:58 #dri-devel: < karolherbst> *sobs in nvidia* 17:59 #dri-devel: < Company> I'm more wondering if the UBO idea is bad 17:59 #dri-devel: < Company> and we should avoid it 17:59 #dri-devel: < Company> either by using something else entirely or by only using it if maxPushConstantSize < size_gtk_needs 17:59 #dri-devel: < alyssa> Company: it's probably fine, but trust your benchmark 18:00 #dri-devel: < karolherbst> it kinda feels like that lavapipe could be improved there... not really sure why push constants would be any faster than UBOs, unless the way those are allocated is different... 18:00 -!- vbelgaum [~Thunderbi@134.134.139.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:00 -!- vbelgaum [~Thunderbi@134.134.139.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:00 #dri-devel: < karolherbst> ohh yeah.. push_constants are just stack memory 18:00 #dri-devel: < karolherbst> or preallocated mhh 18:01 #dri-devel: < Company> it feels like it's constantly remapping the buffer 18:01 #dri-devel: < Company> or copying it or something 18:01 -!- daemonspudguy [~daemonspu@00032e14.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.9.0] 18:01 -!- oneforall2 [~guru@S0106b06ebfb76640.mh.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:01 #dri-devel: < karolherbst> well.. 18:02 #dri-devel: < karolherbst> lavapipe converts push constants to an UBO :) 18:02 -!- oneforall2 [~guru@S0106b06ebfb76640.mh.shawcable.net] has joined #dri-devel 18:02 #dri-devel: < karolherbst> but I guess the "uploading" path is just more efficient 18:02 #dri-devel: < Company> it should be something like a 100MB buffer and use 256 byte chunks per shader invocation 18:02 #wayland: * kennylevinsen flips table over https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland/-/work_items/598#note_3524658 18:02 -!- yrlf is now known as Guest11504 18:02 -!- yrlf is now known as Guest11504 18:02 -!- yrlf [~yrlf@00027223.user.oftc.net] has joined #dri-devel 18:02 -!- yrlf [~yrlf@00027223.user.oftc.net] has joined #wayland 18:03 -!- daemonspudguy [~daemonspu@173.81.56.130] has joined #freedesktop 18:03 -!- Guest11504 [~yrlf@00027223.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:03 -!- Guest11504 [~yrlf@00027223.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:03 #dri-devel: < karolherbst> Company: are you using multiple chunks in a single shader? 18:04 #dri-devel: < Company> no 18:04 #dri-devel: < karolherbst> but it seems the descriptor set thing isn't very optimal in lavapipe 18:04 #dri-devel: < Company> it's literally replacing vkCmdPushConstants() with vkCmdEquivalentOfBindBufferRange() 18:05 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:05 #dri-devel: < karolherbst> yeah the issue isn't really uploading, but the indirection that lavapipe adds with UBOs and it's allocating and mapping new memory on each desc set creation 18:06 #dri-devel: < karolherbst> so it kinda feels like you are recreating descriptor sets constnatly? 18:06 #dri-devel: < karolherbst> using UpdateDescriptorSets might be better 18:07 #dri-devel: < karolherbst> but also feels like that lavapipe could allocate memory a bit more efficient here 18:08 #dri-devel: < karolherbst> memset running into pagefaults.. maybe want some madvise(MADV_POPULATE_WRITE) here and there mhhh 18:09 #dri-devel: < Company> shouldn't it just index into the existing big buffer that I spent all that time creating for it? 18:09 #dri-devel: < Company> the big beautiful buffer? 18:09 #dri-devel: < karolherbst> it's not the UBO that's a problem 18:09 #dri-devel: < karolherbst> but the descriptor set 18:10 #dri-devel: < karolherbst> that's where the address+size of the UBO goes into 18:10 #dri-devel: < Company> the descriptor set is constant, too 18:10 #dri-devel: < Company> it's just lots of vkCmdBindDescriptorSets() with different offsets 18:11 #dri-devel: < Company> we update the descriptor set at the start of the frame to the big beautiful buffer 18:11 #dri-devel: < Company> and then we index into it via vkCmdBindDescriptorSets() 18:12 -!- bonzini [~quassel@151.95.156.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:12 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has joined #dri-devel 18:13 #dri-devel: < karolherbst> ohh looks like lvp recreates them mhh... 18:16 -!- amadaluzia [2cbc58d702@layka.disroot.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:16 -!- amadaluzia [2cbc58d702@layka.disroot.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:17 -!- amadaluzia [2cbc58d702@layka.disroot.org] has joined #wayland 18:17 -!- amadaluzia [2cbc58d702@layka.disroot.org] has joined #freedesktop 18:17 -!- daemonspudguy [~daemonspu@00032e14.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.9.0] 18:17 -!- daemonspudguy [~daemonspu@173.81.56.130] has joined #freedesktop 18:19 -!- amadaluzia [2cbc58d702@layka.disroot.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:19 -!- amadaluzia [2cbc58d702@layka.disroot.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:21 -!- yrlf [~yrlf@00027223.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:21 -!- yrlf [~yrlf@00027223.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:21 -!- yrlf [~yrlf@00027223.user.oftc.net] has joined #dri-devel 18:21 -!- yrlf [~yrlf@00027223.user.oftc.net] has joined #wayland 18:22 -!- amadaluzia [2cbc58d702@layka.disroot.org] has joined #wayland 18:23 -!- amadaluzia [2cbc58d702@layka.disroot.org] has joined #freedesktop 18:24 -!- akien [~akien@0x57346fee.static.cust.fastspeed.dk] has quit [] 18:24 -!- daemonspudguy [~daemonspu@00032e14.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:25 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:26 -!- coldfeet [~coldfeet@00031029.user.oftc.net] has joined #dri-devel 18:26 -!- coldfeet [~coldfeet@00031029.user.oftc.net] has joined #wayland 18:26 -!- coldfeet [~coldfeet@00031029.user.oftc.net] has joined #radeon 18:26 -!- daemonspudguy [~daemonspu@173.81.56.130] has joined #freedesktop 18:27 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has joined #dri-devel 18:28 -!- bonzini [~quassel@151.95.156.160] has joined #dri-devel 18:28 -!- akien [~akien@0x57346fee.static.cust.fastspeed.dk] has joined #dri-devel 18:29 -!- yrlf is now known as Guest11505 18:29 -!- yrlf is now known as Guest11505 18:29 -!- yrlf [~yrlf@00027223.user.oftc.net] has joined #dri-devel 18:29 #wayland: < Company> kennylevinsen: one thing that's impressive is how quickly the raging lunatics have embraced AI 18:29 -!- yrlf [~yrlf@00027223.user.oftc.net] has joined #wayland 18:29 #wayland: < Company> even the techbros don't keep up with them 18:31 -!- Guest11505 [~yrlf@00027223.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 18:31 -!- Guest11505 [~yrlf@00027223.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 18:32 #wayland: < kennylevinsen> well, it's much easier to manage the vastness of LLM output when you don't process it yourself 18:33 #wayland: < kennylevinsen> blindly following it and passing it along is performance optimization 101, right? 18:33 #wayland: < Company> I do the "oh, it contains bold, it's likely ai-generated" thing these days - which works surprisingly well in gitlab issues 18:34 #wayland: < kennylevinsen> in all seriousness, the problem here wasn't using LLMs, but stubbornness 18:34 -!- vbelgaum [~Thunderbi@192.55.55.42] has joined #intel-gfx 18:34 -!- vbelgaum [~Thunderbi@192.55.55.42] has joined #dri-devel 18:36 #wayland: < Company> not even that, the problem was being on team "wayland sucks" 18:37 #wayland: < Company> if the stubbornness was directed at "I want to get this fixed", it'd be useful 18:39 #wayland: < llyyr> wait until you get spammed with a billion llm integer overflow fixes 18:43 -!- bonzini [~quassel@151.95.156.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:44 #wayland: <@karolherbst> Company: well AI is great (see syphophancy) in convincing you that your own nonsense is actually the correct thing 18:45 #wayland: <@karolherbst> seems other project see similar behavior popping up 18:46 #wayland: < Company> the LLM fixers haven't discovered gtk yet 18:47 #wayland: < zamundaaa[m]> karolherbst: Yeah, I've seen it more often in KWin bug reports as well 18:48 #wayland: < zamundaaa[m]> There were such people before LLMs as well, but pretty rare in comparison and usually with less and more readable text 18:48 #wayland: <@karolherbst> yeah.... 18:49 #wayland: <@karolherbst> there are studies that kinda show this impact, and already victims that needed real medical help to get out of this hole 18:49 #wayland: < zamundaaa[m]> I just close such issues with a message that they need to write it themselves or it will be ignored by us 18:49 #wayland: < zamundaaa[m]> It takes a lot of time to just parse the pages of text otherwise 18:50 #wayland: <@karolherbst> right... but I also kinda want to at least try to get those to reflect on it... but also just externalizing damage control like this also sucks... 18:50 #wayland: < bl4ckb0ne> thanks for your intervention karolherbst 18:51 #wayland: <@karolherbst> np 18:51 #wayland: < bl4ckb0ne> im amazed at how hard they believe their LLM output and how bad they responded to prooving it wrong 18:52 #wayland: <@karolherbst> it's natural behavior honestly 18:52 #wayland: <@karolherbst> like.. we all are effected, just some people fall for it more easily given the topic and content 18:53 #wayland: < Company> it's just a lack of impostor syndrome 18:55 #wayland: <@karolherbst> though what is interesting is, that the experience with AI MRs is better than with AI issues on average ... though not sure if we have enough data to see an overall trend like this 18:56 -!- akien [~akien@0x57346fee.static.cust.fastspeed.dk] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 18:57 #dri-devel: < karolherbst> in case I'm wrong: we don't have any "official" process for fixing confidential issues, right? We all just do public MRs and fix it publicly, or is there something I'm missing here? 18:57 #dri-devel: < karolherbst> for Mesa that is 18:57 #wayland: < Company> it definitely has good outcomes 18:59 #wayland: < Company> like the lavapipe MR we just talked about in #dri-devel was definitely done with LLMs - at least because the author doesn't speak english well, so he's writing his comments with it, but I also think a bunch of the code was written with it 18:59 #wayland: < Company> but he was clearly editing the AI output 18:59 -!- MrBonkers [~MrBonkers@0002b7d5.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: The Lounge - https://thelounge.chat] 18:59 #wayland: < Company> and I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have dared to do this work without an LLM 19:00 #wayland: <@karolherbst> I just hope that people still learn stuff when using LLM for coding 19:00 #wayland: < Company> I think that depends heavily on the person 19:00 -!- MrBonkers [~MrBonkers@0002b7d5.user.oftc.net] has joined #freedesktop 19:00 #wayland: < Company> he said in that MR that he's a webdev but got interested in how GPUs work so he's now learning Vulkan 19:01 #wayland: < Company> it feels like the LLM just lowered the barrier to get started 19:02 #wayland: <@karolherbst> yeah, probably has 19:04 #wayland: < Company> my gut feeling is that people will learn as long as it makes their work more efficient - and so far being more knowledgable makes work more efficient, with or without LLM 19:04 -!- w0rmi [~w0rmi@p200300fc4f037bd842f2b7adfff386ad.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:04 -!- w0rmi [~w0rmi@p200300fc4f037bd842f2b7adfff386ad.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:04 -!- w0rmi [~w0rmi@p200300fc4f037bd842f2b7adfff386ad.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:04 -!- w0rmi [~w0rmi@p200300fc4f037bd842f2b7adfff386ad.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:04 -!- w0rmi [~w0rmi@p200300fc4f037bd842f2b7adfff386ad.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:04 -!- w0rmi [~w0rmi@p200300fc4f037bd842f2b7adfff386ad.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:04 -!- w0rmi [~w0rmi@p200300fc4f037bd842f2b7adfff386ad.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:04 -!- w0rmi [~w0rmi@p200300fc4f037bd842f2b7adfff386ad.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:04 -!- w0rmi [~w0rmi@p200300fc4f037bd842f2b7adfff386ad.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:04 -!- w0rmi [~w0rmi@p200300fc4f037bd842f2b7adfff386ad.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:04 -!- w0rmi [~w0rmi@p200300fc4f037bd842f2b7adfff386ad.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:04 -!- w0rmi [~w0rmi@p200300fc4f037bd842f2b7adfff386ad.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:05 -!- PommeGolden [~pomme_ye@2a09:bac5:3211:30f::4e:a5] has joined #nouveau 19:05 -!- JohnDoe_71Rus [~Johndoe_7@94.28.233.206] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 5.2.10 Quasar http://www.kvirc.net/] 19:07 -!- nicoag [~nicoag@190.245.174.117] has joined #dri-devel 19:11 -!- vbelgaum [~Thunderbi@192.55.55.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:11 -!- vbelgaum [~Thunderbi@192.55.55.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:13 -!- mohit815822635306907 [~mohit6829@static.85.58.13.49.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:19 -!- ronaldo [~ronaldo@152.84.81.2] has joined #nouveau 19:20 -!- mohit815822635306907 [~mohit6829@static.85.58.13.49.clients.your-server.de] has joined #wayland 19:23 -!- minecrell [~minecrell@0002b481.user.oftc.net] has joined #freedreno 19:23 -!- minecrell [~minecrell@0002b481.user.oftc.net] has joined #dri-devel 19:29 #dri-devel: < Kayden> we do not. people can file confidential issues, but I believe the MRs are all public 19:30 -!- helmhotz [~helmhotz@103.156.200.251] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:30 #dri-devel: < karolherbst> yeah.. it's not like there is a great workflow in gitlab for it. Would require a private fork and then we'd have to merge it in on release or something annoying like that... 19:32 -!- Kayden [~kwg@38.190.10.30] has quit [Quit: -> lunch -> JF] 19:32 -!- Kayden [~kwg@38.190.10.30] has quit [Quit: -> lunch -> JF] 19:32 -!- Kayden [~kwg@38.190.10.30] has quit [Quit: -> lunch -> JF] 19:32 -!- Kayden [~kwg@38.190.10.30] has quit [Quit: -> lunch -> JF] 19:34 #nouveau: < airlied[d]> karolherbst[d]: Don't remember now but it was likely because packed GPR didn't work. Or it worked different to pre hopper because I didn't write the code for fun 19:35 #dri-devel: < alyssa> I really don't want to be in the position of being Security Relevant given *gestures at curl* 19:35 #dri-devel: < alyssa> I guess browsers don't give us the choice 19:35 #dri-devel: * alyssa has been hating WebGL since 2019 19:36 -!- rv1sr [~rv1sr@0002da44.user.oftc.net] has quit [] 19:38 #dri-devel: < karolherbst> alyssa: well the "security" issues I'm getting are more related to use-after-frees and stuff 19:39 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> airlied[d]: mhhhh.. I know the bindless cbuf format is different, but I had trouble finding the code that would force UGPR tex handles, but I know you've discussed this here.. so I'm a bit fconfused 19:43 #dri-devel: < alyssa> sure 19:47 #nouveau: < airlied[d]> I can't see it right now but my memory is stuff that was encoded in instructions pre hopper was moved into ugprs, or maybe it just couldn't do constant loads and it only made sense to put constant loads into ugprs 19:50 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> yeah.. the constant index went away 19:50 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> but the GPR bindless handle should have the same format as on previous gens 19:50 -!- sima [~Simona@0002b820.user.oftc.net] has joined #wayland 19:50 -!- sima [~Simona@0002b820.user.oftc.net] has joined #radeon 19:50 -!- sima [~Simona@0002b820.user.oftc.net] has joined #nouveau 19:50 -!- sima [~Simona@0002b820.user.oftc.net] has joined #intel-gfx 19:50 -!- sima [~Simona@0002b820.user.oftc.net] has joined #intel-3d 19:50 -!- sima [~Simona@0002b820.user.oftc.net] has joined #freedesktop 19:50 -!- sima [~Simona@0002b820.user.oftc.net] has joined #dri-devel 19:53 -!- akien [~akien@0x57346fee.static.cust.fastspeed.dk] has joined #dri-devel 19:57 -!- Deluxef [~Deluxe@212.4.150.151] has joined #radeon 20:00 -!- lack [~lack@lack.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:00 -!- lack [~lack@pool-68-160-140-46.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #freedesktop 20:04 #nouveau: < airlied[d]> Maybe mhenning[d] remembers 20:11 #nouveau: < mhenning[d]> I don't really remember. 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Instead of a bound texture like on ampere it's now split into a special LDC form that you pair with your tex instruction 20:47 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> well 20:47 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> yeah except that special LDC form exists also on Turing+ 20:48 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> it's just a vec2 instead of packed 20:48 #nouveau: < mhenning[d]> which might be a little faster then always using bindless but nobody's figured out how it works 20:48 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> so it's tex header in .x and sampler in .y 20:48 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> and LDCU.TEXUNPACK does the unpacking of it already 20:49 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> so it reads 32 or 64 bits and writes 64 or 128 bits in unpacked bindless handle form 20:49 #nouveau: < mhenning[d]> Okay, well we don't support that yet 20:49 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> yeah... 20:49 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> it would help with TEX.SCR because it removes a source 🙂 20:50 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> but then we'd run into NAKs vector UGPR issue... 20:50 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> so not really sure how we even want to support it 20:51 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> but afaik.. the UGPR form isn't restricted to 12 bit of sampler index but can fetch bigger ids 20:52 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:54 #nouveau: < airlied[d]> You sure it exists the same on Turing? 20:54 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> yeah, pretty sure 20:55 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> I think on turing they still have a working constant offset on top of the UGPR bindless handle tho... 20:55 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> not quite sure 20:55 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> that field still exists on blackwell but has to be 0 20:56 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> the UGPR format is the same on Turing and Blackwell 20:56 #nouveau: < airlied[d]> Ldcu.texunpack is only on Blackwell, Turing uldc doesn't have it 20:56 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> texunpack isn't magic 20:56 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> it only extracts 31:20 and moves it into the .y dest 20:57 #nouveau: < airlied[d]> For 32-bit 20:57 #dri-devel: < Company> ohh looks like lvp recreates them mhh... 20:57 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> no 20:57 #dri-devel: < Company> should I file an issue about that btw? 20:57 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> for all bit sizes 20:57 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> LDCU.64 loads 64 bits and writes 128 unpacked 20:57 -!- kestrel [~kestrel@00030e81.user.oftc.net] has joined #wayland 20:57 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> LDCU.64.TEXUNPACK I mean 20:58 -!- Skywing [~skywing@0003340a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20:58 -!- Skywing [~skywing@0003340a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20:58 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> the second handle just is located at .zw 20:59 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> I don't think there was a point adding it to Turing, because you could still use bound indices 20:59 -!- Kayden [~kwg@134.134.137.76] has joined #intel-gfx 20:59 -!- Kayden [~kwg@134.134.137.76] has joined #intel-3d 20:59 -!- Kayden [~kwg@134.134.137.76] has joined #dri-devel 20:59 -!- Kayden [~kwg@134.134.137.76] has joined #freedesktop 21:00 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> but I've seen nvidia use the UGPR form inside Ampere shaders 21:00 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> and they manually unpack the handle 21:00 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has joined #dri-devel 21:01 #dri-devel: < airlied> not sure how fixable it it, dynamic offsets seem to suck on lvp, maybe konstantin has some ideas 21:02 -!- unerlige [~unerlige@134.134.139.69] has joined #intel-gfx 21:02 -!- unerlige [~unerlige@134.134.139.69] has joined #dri-devel 21:03 #dri-devel: < zmike> it's probably a bit more tractable now than it used to be 21:03 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> like I'm sure LDCU.TEXUNPACK is cheaper than writing two constants 🙃 21:09 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> am I allowed to work on a cursed micro optimization? I wonder if alternating `MOV` and `IMAD` would gain us any performance lol 21:11 -!- ingenarel [~ingenarel@7YZAAPV6D.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #freedesktop 21:12 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:12 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> like nvdisasm even decodes those as `IMAD.MOV` 21:12 #nouveau: < mhenning[d]> I guess? There's also the more general issue of modelling functional unit throughput during postpass scheduling 21:13 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> and nvidia seems to do that quite aggressively 21:13 #nouveau: < mhenning[d]> but it could be interesting to see if just the easy thing works 21:13 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> mhenning[d]: yeah.. my idea would be to do this _pretty_ late and only if we have movs to be back to back 21:14 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> but this is the kind of optimization that feels like "+0.2%" perf in some micro benchmark 21:14 -!- mmu_man [~revol@188410969.box.freepro.com] has joined #nouveau 21:15 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> nvidia also seems to pull cbs via ALUs instead of LDC sometimes... 21:15 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> dunno... 21:16 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> or uses LDC ... 21:16 -!- PommeGolden [~pomme_ye@2a09:bac5:3211:30f::4e:a5] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:18 -!- heston76- [~heston76@75.129.227.75] has joined #freedesktop 21:18 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> actually... 21:18 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> seems nvidia prefers `IMAD.MOV` over `MOV` 21:19 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> have a shader here that has 19 `IMAD.MOV` but not a single MOV 21:19 #nouveau: < marysaka[d]> they also do some CS2R when moving RZ 21:19 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> `IMAD.MOV.U32 R0, RZ, RZ, c[0x0][0x644]` 🙂 21:19 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> when they can't use the value as a cbuf... 21:20 -!- linkmauve [005c997f6a@jabberfr.org] has left #dri-devel [Error from remote client] 21:20 -!- linkmauve [005c997f6a@jabberfr.org] has left #lima [Error from remote client] 21:20 -!- linkmauve [005c997f6a@jabberfr.org] has left #nouveau [Error from remote client] 21:20 -!- linkmauve [005c997f6a@jabberfr.org] has left #wayland [Error from remote client] 21:20 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> ohh seem to like to use LDC when it's not 32 bits 21:20 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has joined #dri-devel 21:20 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> but otherwise they also seem to prefer `IMAD.MOV` over LDC 21:20 #nouveau: < marysaka[d]> but yeah that's more throughput work more than anything it feels 21:20 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> `.MOV` isn't a thing btw 21:20 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> yeah.. but also pretty cheap once.. I also wanted to clean up airlied[d] CS2R patch at some point... 21:21 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> `IMAD.MOV.U32 R1, RZ, RZ, RZ ;` incredible 21:22 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> they also seem to prefer `IMAD` over `IADD` to implement `ineg` 21:22 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> let me see if I find if there is a good reason for it... 21:22 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> mhhhhh 21:23 -!- heston76 [~heston76@75.129.227.75] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:24 -!- dcz [~dcz@195.63.40.141] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 21:24 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> IMAD is in the same class as FFMA 21:26 -!- Maschinenhans [~maschinen@p200300c9ef4bf700b21921fffe2a02fa.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:28 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> yeah.. not sure 21:28 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> doesn't feel like there should be a difference really mhh... 21:29 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> I wonder if it's related to the source slot, because with `IMAD` they use the last one 21:29 -!- akien [~akien@0x57346fee.static.cust.fastspeed.dk] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 21:31 -!- linkmauve [005c997f6a@jabberfr.org] has joined #dri-devel 21:31 -!- linkmauve [005c997f6a@jabberfr.org] has joined #lima 21:31 -!- linkmauve [005c997f6a@jabberfr.org] has joined #nouveau 21:31 -!- linkmauve [005c997f6a@jabberfr.org] has joined #wayland 21:32 -!- linkmauve [005c997f6a@jabberfr.org] has left #dri-devel [Error from remote client] 21:32 -!- linkmauve [005c997f6a@jabberfr.org] has left #lima [Error from remote client] 21:32 -!- linkmauve [005c997f6a@jabberfr.org] has left #nouveau [Error from remote client] 21:32 -!- linkmauve [005c997f6a@jabberfr.org] has left #wayland [Error from remote client] 21:33 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:35 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has joined #dri-devel 21:35 -!- unerlige [~unerlige@134.134.139.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:35 -!- unerlige [~unerlige@134.134.139.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:43 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:44 -!- linkmauve [005c997f6a@jabberfr.org] has joined #dri-devel 21:44 -!- linkmauve [005c997f6a@jabberfr.org] has joined #lima 21:44 -!- linkmauve [005c997f6a@jabberfr.org] has joined #nouveau 21:44 -!- linkmauve [005c997f6a@jabberfr.org] has joined #wayland 21:45 -!- linkmauve [005c997f6a@jabberfr.org] has left #dri-devel [Error from remote client] 21:45 -!- linkmauve [005c997f6a@jabberfr.org] has left #lima [Error from remote client] 21:45 -!- linkmauve [005c997f6a@jabberfr.org] has left #nouveau [Error from remote client] 21:45 -!- linkmauve [005c997f6a@jabberfr.org] has left #wayland [Error from remote client] 21:46 -!- misaccy [~misaccy@p4743095-ipxg00m01osakachuo.osaka.ocn.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:48 -!- Advertising[m] [~bignene7m@2001:470:1af1:101::1:c2f1] has joined #intel-gfx 21:50 -!- Roberth1990 [~roberth@109.72.172.164] has joined #radeon 21:50 -!- misaccy [~misaccy@p4743095-ipxg00m01osakachuo.osaka.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #radeon 21:51 -!- mmu_man [~revol@188410969.box.freepro.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:52 -!- docmax_ [~docmax@dynamic-077-000-215-238.77.0.pool.telefonica.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:52 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has joined #dri-devel 21:54 -!- smaeul_ [~smaeul@2607:9000:e00:8::e00b] has joined #dri-devel 21:57 -!- linkmauve [005c997f6a@jabberfr.org] has joined #dri-devel 21:57 -!- smaeul [~smaeul@2607:9000:e00:8::e00b] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:57 -!- linkmauve [005c997f6a@jabberfr.org] has joined #lima 21:58 -!- linkmauve [005c997f6a@jabberfr.org] has joined #nouveau 21:58 -!- linkmauve [005c997f6a@jabberfr.org] has joined #wayland 22:00 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:01 -!- heston76- [~heston76@75.129.227.75] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.10.1 - 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that's entirely on them 22:51 #wayland: <@karolherbst> well but they still have an issue that should maybe get fixed 22:51 #wayland: <@karolherbst> like can't really expect everybody to have technical understanding of the issue 22:52 #wayland: <@karolherbst> but prolly should just never claim anything is AI generated, because it just won't help... 22:53 #wayland: < Company> yes, but everyone has issues with everything that maybe should be fixed and isn't 22:53 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:54 #wayland: < Company> like, I have a liver test that's dangerously high whenever I go running regularly and doctors just don't fix it 22:54 -!- raidon_ [~quassel@37.157.214.225] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:55 #wayland: < Company> now I can choose to read their public issue trackers (that would be arxiv mostly) or not - but I can't really complain that the professors don't study my liver but instead focus on other stuff 22:55 #wayland: <@karolherbst> okay sure, but if a password autofill works with the x11 ozone variant it's kinda likely that _something_ is wrong, even though nobody knows what precisely 22:56 #wayland: < Company> yeah, and then you can ask - and maybe someone can help you, and that's fine 22:56 #wayland: <@karolherbst> right.. the issue here was obviously being persistent, but also explaining things to less technical people usually don't work if you can't take their pov 22:56 #wayland: <@karolherbst> like to them it obviously is a wayland issue 22:56 #wayland: < Company> but I'd think it sucks if you couldn't ask because someone decided you're not engineer enough 22:57 #wayland: < Company> to them it's a wayland issue because they want it to be a wayland issue 22:57 #wayland: <@karolherbst> no 22:57 #wayland: <@karolherbst> that's just not how this works 22:57 #wayland: <@karolherbst> if you don't have the technical expertise you clearly won't be able to precisely come up with the precise term of what component is at fault here 22:58 #wayland: <@karolherbst> so "wayland" also covers "this app runs with its wayland code" 22:58 #wayland: < Company> but if the expert tells me it's a problem with X, then I either trust the expert or I go away 22:58 #wayland: < Company> I don't lecture them 22:59 #wayland: <@karolherbst> if you see an issue that only happens on Linux, and they say "it's clearly not a linux issue, but an issue with torment nexus", then as a non tech user you might also think you are getting trolled 22:59 #wayland: <@karolherbst> not saying it's a _good_ reaction 22:59 #wayland: <@karolherbst> but it's a _natural_ one I can see where it comes from 22:59 #wayland: < Company> but it's one that's on the user 22:59 #wayland: < Company> and it's their fault and they should fix their behavior 22:59 #wayland: <@karolherbst> and my point is, with less/non technical users that's just what sometimes happens 23:00 #wayland: <@karolherbst> right.. not arguing to defend bad behavior anyway 23:00 -!- sparky4 [~sparky4@2600:1702:5a65:ac00::44] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:00 #wayland: <@karolherbst> just that this is part of technical place with non technical users and communication breaking down. 23:00 #wayland: < Company> I'm just saying that the problem isn't openness, it's people unable to deal with it 23:00 #wayland: <@karolherbst> of course can't expect every user to have perfect technical knowledge 23:01 #wayland: < Company> and nobody blaming them when they're unable to deal with it 23:01 #wayland: <@karolherbst> right.. I mean, the person in question already had a low opinion of wayland, so guess that was just a natural outcome anyway 23:01 #wayland: < Company> and trying to accomodate them 23:01 #wayland: < Company> because that's how you end up with fascism and anti-vaxxers and all that 23:02 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has joined #dri-devel 23:02 -!- pixelcluster_ [~pixelclus@2a03:80:16bd:ef00:cdb7:9322:68a6:36ef] has joined #radeon 23:02 -!- pixelcluster_ [~pixelclus@2a03:80:16bd:ef00:cdb7:9322:68a6:36ef] has joined #freedesktop 23:02 -!- pixelcluster_ [~pixelclus@2a03:80:16bd:ef00:cdb7:9322:68a6:36ef] has joined #dri-devel 23:03 -!- bookworm_ [~bookworm@0002b455.user.oftc.net] has joined #wayland 23:03 #wayland: <@karolherbst> not sure how one would get from "accommodating non technical users" to that, like my point wasn't to accommodate bad behavior, but rather to cut some people some slack if their meaning of "this is a wayland issue" differs from the meaning used on the repo 23:04 -!- bookworm [~bookworm@0002b455.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:04 -!- fomys [~fomys@82.67.211.27] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:04 -!- fomys [~fomys@82.67.211.27] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:04 -!- fomys [~fomys@82.67.211.27] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:04 -!- fomys [~fomys@82.67.211.27] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:04 -!- fomys [~fomys@82.67.211.27] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:04 -!- fomys [~fomys@82.67.211.27] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:04 -!- fomys [~fomys@82.67.211.27] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:04 -!- fomys [~fomys@82.67.211.27] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:04 -!- fomys [~fomys@82.67.211.27] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:04 -!- fomys [~fomys@82.67.211.27] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:04 -!- fomys [~fomys@82.67.211.27] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:04 -!- fomys [~fomys@82.67.211.27] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:04 -!- fomys [~fomys@82.67.211.27] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:04 -!- guru_ [~guru@S0106b06ebfb76640.mh.shawcable.net] has joined #dri-devel 23:04 -!- fomys [~fomys@82.67.211.27] has joined #freedesktop 23:04 -!- fomys [~fomys@82.67.211.27] has joined #d3d9 23:04 -!- fomys [~fomys@82.67.211.27] has joined #dri-devel 23:04 -!- fomys [~fomys@82.67.211.27] has joined #etnaviv 23:04 -!- fomys [~fomys@82.67.211.27] has joined #freedreno 23:04 -!- fomys [~fomys@82.67.211.27] has joined #intel-3d 23:04 -!- fomys [~fomys@82.67.211.27] has joined #intel-gfx 23:04 -!- fomys [~fomys@82.67.211.27] has joined #lima 23:04 -!- fomys [~fomys@82.67.211.27] has joined #ml-mainline 23:04 -!- fomys [~fomys@82.67.211.27] has joined #nouveau 23:04 -!- fomys [~fomys@82.67.211.27] has joined #openchrome 23:04 -!- fomys [~fomys@82.67.211.27] has joined #radeon 23:04 -!- fomys [~fomys@82.67.211.27] has joined #wayland 23:04 #wayland: <@karolherbst> I don't think it's the reason this issue went as it did, but something I also noticed there. 23:06 #wayland: < Company> yeah, and I'm saying that cutting some slack is what leads to acceptance of such behavior. People can be kind and ask questions and then you can help them about what you mean when you use the technical meaning of a colloquial term 23:06 -!- mrpops2ko [~mrpops2ko@81.92.203.134] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 23:06 -!- mrpops2ko [~mrpops2ko@81.92.203.134] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 23:06 -!- mrpops2ko [~mrpops2ko@81.92.203.134] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 23:06 -!- mrpops2ko [~mrpops2ko@81.92.203.134] has joined #freedesktop 23:06 -!- mrpops2ko [~mrpops2ko@81.92.203.134] has joined #radeon 23:06 -!- mrpops2ko [~mrpops2ko@81.92.203.134] has joined #intel-gfx 23:06 -!- amadaluzia [2cbc58d702@layka.disroot.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:06 -!- amadaluzia [2cbc58d702@layka.disroot.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:06 #wayland: < Company> but I don't think it's acceptable to tell an expert that they're wrong about their expertise 23:06 -!- guru_ [~guru@S0106b06ebfb76640.mh.shawcable.net] has quit [] 23:07 -!- pixelcluster [~pixelclus@0002e611.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:07 -!- pixelcluster [~pixelclus@0002e611.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:07 -!- pixelcluster [~pixelclus@0002e611.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:07 #wayland: <@karolherbst> oh yeah, I mean.. that clearly won't have a good ending 23:08 -!- cgbowman [~cgbowman@134.134.139.75] has joined #intel-3d 23:10 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:11 -!- ronaldo [~ronaldo@152.84.81.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:13 -!- helmhotz [~helmhotz@103.156.200.251] has joined #dri-devel 23:15 -!- amadaluzia [2cbc58d702@layka.disroot.org] has joined #wayland 23:15 -!- amadaluzia [2cbc58d702@layka.disroot.org] has joined #freedesktop 23:15 -!- mrpops2ko [~mrpops2ko@81.92.203.134] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:15 -!- mrpops2ko [~mrpops2ko@81.92.203.134] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:15 -!- mrpops2ko [~mrpops2ko@81.92.203.134] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:15 -!- mrpops2ko [~mrpops2ko@81.92.203.134] has joined #freedesktop 23:15 -!- mrpops2ko [~mrpops2ko@81.92.203.134] has joined #radeon 23:15 -!- mrpops2ko [~mrpops2ko@81.92.203.134] has joined #intel-gfx 23:16 -!- marcf [8a023a9e4a@2a01:4f9:c010:cf0b::1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:16 -!- marcf [8a023a9e4a@2a01:4f9:c010:cf0b::1] has joined #dri-devel 23:18 -!- nerdopolis [~quassel@2600:4040:5e70:2d00:25f4:ac67:6cc5:9cb7] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:18 -!- nerdopolis [~quassel@2600:4040:5e70:2d00:25f4:ac67:6cc5:9cb7] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:18 -!- nerdopolis [~quassel@2600:4040:5e70:2d00:25f4:ac67:6cc5:9cb7] has joined #wayland 23:18 -!- nerdopolis [~quassel@2600:4040:5e70:2d00:25f4:ac67:6cc5:9cb7] has joined #dri-devel 23:19 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has joined #dri-devel 23:19 #wayland: < Company> fwiw, most of us do that all the time ourselves, when our mental model of how something works doesn't match reality and we argue with the expert of that piece of code about a bug of theirs 23:19 #wayland: < Company> last time I remember doing that was arguing about fractional-scale-v2 23:19 -!- linkmauve [005c997f6a@jabberfr.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:19 -!- linkmauve [005c997f6a@jabberfr.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:19 -!- linkmauve [005c997f6a@jabberfr.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:19 -!- linkmauve [005c997f6a@jabberfr.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:23 #wayland: < kennylevinsen> I'm not a big fan of appeal to authority in general, and definitely understand the mentality if taking a defensive stance when challenged - but yeah I think this one was past simple miscommunication, and there's also a limit to what "customer support" experiences we'll be able to salvage... 23:23 -!- Kayden [~kwg@134.134.137.76] has quit [Quit: -> home] 23:23 -!- Kayden [~kwg@134.134.137.76] has quit [Quit: -> home] 23:23 -!- Kayden [~kwg@134.134.137.76] has quit [Quit: -> home] 23:23 -!- Kayden [~kwg@134.134.137.76] has quit [Quit: -> home] 23:24 -!- Zotyaboy_ [~oftc-webi@254C2404.nat.pool.telekom.hu] has joined #freedesktop 23:24 -!- Zotyaboy_ [~oftc-webi@254C2404.nat.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:24 #wayland: < kennylevinsen> we do lack something more educational about why the Wayland tracker is the wrong place, and why it is in the persons interest to file the issue elsewhere 23:26 #wayland: < Company> I think appeal to authority isn't the thing here - nobody is saying "listen to me, I'm the expert" - it's common courtesy to expect the person doing X to know more about X than you 23:26 #dri-devel: < sghuge> any idea why https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/jobs/102641378 is failing? 23:26 #dri-devel: < sghuge> or anyone know how to get this fixed? 23:27 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:28 -!- linkmauve [005c997f6a@jabberfr.org] has joined #dri-devel 23:28 -!- linkmauve [005c997f6a@jabberfr.org] has joined #lima 23:29 #wayland: < Company> about the Wayland tracker being the wrong place: Maybe you should emphasize the "protocol" part more? 23:29 -!- linkmauve [005c997f6a@jabberfr.org] has joined #nouveau 23:29 -!- linkmauve [005c997f6a@jabberfr.org] has joined #wayland 23:30 #wayland: < kennylevinsen> to an extent, but should there be something I count as an expert in I wouldn't mind being challenged by a non-expert... but, this wasn't such challenge, only anger 23:31 #wayland: < kennylevinsen> I've done that before in other tickets, but i think we might want the knowledge to be spread outside just our repeated ticket close justifications :/ 23:32 -!- sbraz [~sbraz@89.168.35.94] has quit [Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in] 23:32 -!- sbraz [~sbraz@89.168.35.94] has joined #freedesktop 23:32 #wayland: < Company> challenging an expert is fine, but you need to be well prepared as an outsider 23:33 #wayland: < Company> you can't just "no, you're wrong" the expert 23:33 #dri-devel: < airlied> sghuge: if it's happening consistently we just turn off the vmware tests 23:33 #wayland: < kennylevinsen> especially when you clearly didn't even try to process the response :P 23:34 #wayland: <@karolherbst> not sure this was a case of "no, you're wrong" though. The user clearly had an issue with wayland (well.. besides the chromium one), but the point is more.. from an end-user perspective it's correct to say this was a wayland issue 23:34 #wayland: <@karolherbst> however 23:34 #wayland: <@karolherbst> it was also correct to say "please open a bug against chromium" 23:34 #dri-devel: < airlied> mv .ci-farms/vmware to .ci-farms-disabled/vmware or something ike that 23:34 #wayland: <@karolherbst> and resisting that was obviously not going to work 23:34 #wayland: < Company> yes, that was all fine 23:34 #wayland: < Company> the thing where they said "no, it's not chromium, it's wayland" was wrong 23:35 #wayland: <@karolherbst> but yeah.. coming up with rando justifications isn't going to work... 23:35 #wayland: <@karolherbst> right 23:35 #wayland: <@karolherbst> but again 23:35 #wayland: < Company> "I don't understand, it only happens on wayland?" would have been a fine response 23:35 #wayland: <@karolherbst> from a non techie user perspective I still understand one saying that 23:35 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has joined #dri-devel 23:36 #wayland: <@karolherbst> feels a bit pedantic to discuss whether it's chromium vs wayland. The important bit is to figure out the bug and I think it would be more helpful to just not engage in such discsusions whose to blame, but rather focus on where to get help 23:36 #wayland: <@karolherbst> *who is 23:39 -!- TMM [hp@amanda.tmm.cx] has quit [Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 23:39 -!- TMM [hp@amanda.tmm.cx] has joined #dri-devel 23:39 #wayland: < Company> you can add "make no mistakes" to the protocols maybe so Chromium authors know what to do! 23:41 #wayland: <@karolherbst> :P clearly that's gonna work 23:42 #wayland: <@karolherbst> somebody on socials mentioned if you write instructions to an LLM and phrase it like you'd address a spoiled liberal, the chance of it "following" those instructions skyrocket 23:44 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:44 #wayland: < Company> I've wondered about improving GTK docs in a way to influence LLMs 23:45 #wayland: < Company> though I wasn't sure if I wanted to sabotage them or improve their output 23:46 #wayland: < Company> and I don't want to write them like I'm addressing a spoiled liberal - some app devs might not like that 23:46 #wayland: <@karolherbst> apparently it helps in case you want an LLM to not touch your repo 23:53 -!- LeviYun [~LeviYun@2a00:23c8:f512:7a01:e1f5:1ef0:6e5c:ff03] has joined #dri-devel 23:57 #wayland: < Company> I want app devs to enjoy GTK any way they want but not pester me with slop 23:57 #wayland: < Company> hard difficulty 23:57 #wayland: < Company> getting AI to enjoy something but not try to help 23:58 -!- nicoag [~nicoag@190.245.174.117] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] --- Log closed Thu Jun 18 00:00:07 2026