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01:13 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> mhhh interesting
01:15 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> phomes_[d]: do you know what's causing this value? nvk calls into `vk_physical_device_heap_budget`
01:15 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> and I'm wondering if `available` or `percent` or `heap->size` is low.. but it might also be due to `used` 🙃
01:15 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> could be that something on the system is wasting a lot of VRAM?
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06:13 #wayland: < wlb> wayland Merge request !550 opened by Jeremy Huddleston Sequoia (jeremyhu) Improve portability with systems that lack some of the APIs that wayland uses https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland/-/merge_requests/550 
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08:54 #nouveau: < phomes_[d]> heap budget calculations might need some change. Here is some printfs from the start, middle, and end of the benchmark:
08:54 #nouveau: < phomes_[d]> `Size: 11.99 GB. Available:  10.89 GB. Used:  0.00 GB. Budget:  9.80 GB
08:54 #nouveau: < phomes_[d]> Size: 11.99 GB. Available:  10.65 GB. Used:  0.22 GB. Budget:  9.80 GB
08:54 #nouveau: < phomes_[d]> Size: 11.99 GB. Available:   9.89 GB. Used:  0.96 GB. Budget:  9.87 GB
08:54 #nouveau: < phomes_[d]> Size: 11.99 GB. Available:   9.79 GB. Used:  1.07 GB. Budget:  9.88 GB
08:54 #nouveau: < phomes_[d]> ...
08:54 #nouveau: < phomes_[d]> Size: 11.99 GB. Available:   5.34 GB. Used:  4.79 GB. Budget:  9.59 GB
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08:54 #nouveau: < phomes_[d]> ...
08:54 #nouveau: < phomes_[d]> Size: 11.99 GB. Available:   0.81 GB. Used: 10.88 GB. Budget: 11.61 GB
08:54 #nouveau: < phomes_[d]> `
08:56 #nouveau: < phomes_[d]> budget is based on system available and the current use of this process. Using more than what was in the budget will get you an even bigger budget...
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09:27 #nouveau: < phomes_[d]> or/also the scaling to 90% to avoid thrashing calculated on the available size. So when less is available we reserve less
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09:42 #nouveau: < pixelcluster[d]> phomes_[d]: this part is correct
09:43 #nouveau: < pixelcluster[d]> applications are supposed to subtract their current usage from budget
09:50 #nouveau: < phomes_[d]> is the other part not correct? that the less total free mem will cause us to reserve less to avoid thrashing?
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10:14 #nouveau: < pixelcluster[d]> it's correct but i'm not sure if it's what you'd want necessarily
10:15 #nouveau: < pixelcluster[d]> imho you should be able to expose 100% of available memory and if it OOMs that's a kernel issue :P
10:29 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> phomes_[d]: try with 95% and see if that helps?
10:30 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> and with helps I mean i.proved perf
10:31 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> I think 90% makes more sense on smaller GPUs.. buz not quite sure how to properly handle that tho
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10:53 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> I think what we eventually need instead is to say "we want to reserve 200MB for the compositor or other system apps or so"
10:54 #nouveau: < phomes_[d]> I think we could have a bug or two as well
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10:56 #nouveau: < phomes_[d]> here is a plot of VRAM size, availiable, global use (size - available), Proc use (our recording, not including driver internal), calculated budget, and Other use (global use - proc use)
10:56 #nouveau: < phomes_[d]> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1034184951790305330/1528354735436992613/image.png?ex=6a5dfec4&is=6a5cad44&hm=a79cf64339dad545e84642819fc1fcc3f68326b97c604e2e5ba2a0dc5493dea6&
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11:03 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> Other use becomes negative?
11:03 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> ohh if the proc use goes over global use mhh...
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11:03 #nouveau: < phomes_[d]> yes
11:04 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> global use is fetched how?
11:04 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> ohh size - available mhh
11:05 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> sooo
11:05 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> proc_use + available can be bigger than size?
11:05 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> mhhh
11:06 #nouveau: < phomes_[d]> proc use is our own bookkeeping. Global use is size - available. Available is from nvk_get_vram_heap_available
11:06 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> yeah.. available should be from the kernel
11:07 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> ehh wait...
11:07 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> available is head budget?
11:07 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> or is that calculated budget?
11:07 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> mhh yeah that should be budget..
11:07 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> I'm a bit confused
11:08 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1034184951790305330/1528357882918080662/image.png?ex=6a5e01b2&is=6a5cb032&hm=ace07e1f2c9468c33c1d7106971e0a35ed7ea6419f97b23b6cdf5dd44ae77434&
11:08 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> that part is odd
11:08 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> so proc use increases faster than available shrinks
11:09 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> maybe our accounting is off somewhere?
11:09 #nouveau: < phomes_[d]> I can take a look around
11:10 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> maybe some way of freeing doesn't reduce the internal tracking..
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11:12 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> or wrongly or something
11:12 #nouveau: < phomes_[d]> yeah we only do the bookkeeping in nvk_AllocateMemory and nvk_FreeMemory
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11:56 #nouveau: < phomes_[d]> it seems that global use starts at ~2GB no matter what game I launch
12:02 #nouveau: < mohamexiety[d]> the rusd branch has per process vram accounting and global vram accounting if that helps
12:03 #nouveau: < phomes_[d]> fresh reboot: launching vulkaninfo to hit the printfs. 0.5 GB global use
12:03 #nouveau: < phomes_[d]> launch steam. 2.0 global use
12:03 #nouveau: < pixelcluster[d]> yup
12:03 #nouveau: < pixelcluster[d]> checks out
12:04 #nouveau: < pixelcluster[d]> steam taking ~1.5GiB of vram is fairly within what i'd expect
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12:05 #nouveau: < phomes_[d]> I will compare with rusd. But first shoping some food
12:10 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> phomes_[d]: disable web accelerated web views and see if that helps 😄
12:10 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> *gpu accelerated
12:10 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1034184951790305330/1528373513314894034/image.png?ex=6a5e1041&is=6a5cbec1&hm=504a083067c9fa288904750789f68cb15ce6803fecbc9784bedd7bb076d32ce8&
12:10 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> but yeah...
12:10 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> web browser...
12:12 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> Like my problem with the data isn't that other processes use that much VRAM, it's just that the accounting seems wrong (and nvidia might just give all VRAM to all games, because they can always move things to system RAM for other processes not being in the foreground)
12:12 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> there are only few things that really have to live in VRAM
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12:16 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> phomes_[d]: ohh also.. mind checking perf of https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/42365 ? With proton now hitting the desc buffer (I think it was desc buffer?) path (due to the ssbo alignment stuff), the MR might have a bigger impact now
12:17 #nouveau: < pixelcluster[d]> karolherbst[d]: i don't think nvidia linux does that
12:17 #nouveau: < pixelcluster[d]> amd linux does it, and nouveau can do it too!
12:17 #nouveau: < pixelcluster[d]> (with a little work from yours truly)
12:17 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> yeah.. not quite sure what they'd do if they run out of VRAM tho.. maybe just crash or something 🙃
12:18 #nouveau: < pixelcluster[d]> yes
12:19 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> or they just migrate on the fly
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12:21 #nouveau: < pixelcluster[d]> well they can't really, or at least not well
12:21 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> yeah dunno...
12:22 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> moving data over PCIe always sucks, so I guess this just sucks then
12:22 #nouveau: < pixelcluster[d]> no
12:22 #nouveau: < pixelcluster[d]> well kinda
12:22 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> at least you can do it on the GPU if you really care
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12:22 #nouveau: < pixelcluster[d]> if all goes as planned just listen to my xdc talk on this very topic
12:22 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> heh
12:23 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> ~~making better use of VRAM is very high prior in these times I've heard~~
12:23 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> *[riority
12:24 #nouveau: < pixelcluster[d]> what else are you supposed to do :P
12:24 #nouveau: < pixelcluster[d]> buy more? from where?
12:25 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> *sides eyes my 48 GiB GPU*
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12:26 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> though.. not sure if that's still an issue.. but a couple of years ago when I was trying out linux native 32 bit games on that one.. _something_ pre allocated like 3.5GiB of VRAM for I don't know what and then games were running out of VRAM 😭
12:27 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> or well..
12:27 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> system RAM actually
12:27 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> I think those 3.5GiB of VRAM stayed mapped sooo...
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15:27 #nouveau: < phomes_[d]> mohamexiety[d]: rusd (/sys/class/drm/card0/device/mem_info_vram_used) and my Global use are excactly the same. So I think our bookkeeping of what is used is probably it
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15:28 #nouveau: < phomes_[d]> where do I get the per process vram?
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15:51 #nouveau: < mohamexiety[d]> phomes_[d]: that's through fdinfo (the relevant bit in the branch: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mohamexiety/nouveau/-/commit/423529e3de76a1f0626e5814fc456c702a77c4bc?file_path=drivers%2Fgpu%2Fdrm%2Fnouveau%2Fnouveau_drm.c#line_b5e2997f7_A1356), and this is how it's done through nvtop for example:
15:51 #nouveau: < mohamexiety[d]> https://github.com/mohamexiety/nvtop/commit/60926024ce5d83fbe4760857cde1f70ad3ea1ef8#diff-c38d24aaa9b9ebd22a062f0f009f998058af5eccde29914ff96d7dc792dfd513R436
15:51 #nouveau: < mohamexiety[d]> there's a file for each process with the stats
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16:55 #freedesktop: < karolherbst> yeah.. we seem to get that quite often these days.. something up?
16:58 #intel-3d: < karolherbst> isn't the spam label wired up at https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/i915/kernel ?
17:00 #intel-3d: < karolherbst> just closing issues of spam bots isn't helping btw because links in those issues remain public and help with SEO. So please use the spam label (and wire up the bot if not) so the issues get hidden and the account removed
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17:46 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> mhh interesting
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18:54 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> phomes_[d]: can you test X4 with `nvk_ssbo_addr_format` returning `nir_address_format_64bit_global_32bit_offset` unconditionally in the else branch?
18:55 #nouveau: < phomes_[d]> just on the main branch?
18:55 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> it could crash the game tho... but wondering if the shader is just very memory heavy
18:55 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> phomes_[d]: yeah
18:55 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> *shaders are
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18:58 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> if it helps I wonder if we could make it a driconf thing.. but I also want to do proper instruction level predication which should also mitigate the problem.. but let's see how much of a perf impact it has there
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18:59 #nouveau: < phomes_[d]> same perf as before
19:01 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> okay
19:02 #nouveau: < karolherbst[d]> well the offset stuff is the right thing to do, just maybe I should look more into regressions then...
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