07:46 MrCooper: ManMower: "commit-timing-v1 doesn't provide a queue" it's not that simple; as emersion pointed out in https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland-protocols/-/merge_requests/248#note_2116119 , even core Wayland has an implicit queue, since the client can attach any number of buffers before any of them become ready / are released by the compositor
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08:52 YaLTeR[m]: damn oftc isn't safe either
08:52 Nova[m]: what happened here
08:52 mupuf: YaLTeR[m]: IRC as a whole isn't safe
08:52 YaLTeR[m]: spam looks similar to what we had on the leftovers of gimpnet a few days ago
08:53 emersion: mupuf: matrix is worse
08:54 mupuf: emersion: i can believe that! I prefer anyway ;)
08:55 mupuf: But yeah, read the room spammers
08:55 mupuf: You are wasting your time
08:56 doras: emersion: not my experience.
08:57 emersion: you are lucky then
09:01 ambasta[m]: ugh, that MR for absolute positioning turned ugly so fast :D
09:06 ambasta[m]: Is it acceptable to provide comments on such proposals as a non-dev?
09:07 bookworm: not sure adding to the peanut gallery is particularly useful...
09:08 ambasta[m]: I see, will refrain. Thanks
11:36 kennylevinsen: ambasta[m]: it is acceptable, but remember that it mainly brings value if you add something new to the discussion, rather than repeating opinions
11:38 ambasta[m]: Certainly, I was going to propose alternate solutions as a discussion point. But maybe some poc would be more useful to suggest an alternate approach
11:38 ambasta[m]: This is something that the wine wayland driver is also writing hacks around
11:39 ambasta[m]: And also, jetbrains
11:47 any1: An alternative approach has already been submitted.
11:51 any1: Now, I wonder, my proposal for transient seats was accepted a while ago. What happens now?
12:24 swick[m]: ManMower: I'm not so sure that timing and queue can be separated...
12:24 swick[m]: but separating timing feedback from presentation timing is a good idea either way
12:46 soreau: xwayland gets to position clients on wayfire..
12:46 soreau:hides
13:43 ManMower: MrCooper: fair enough - I suppose what I meant to say was that commit-timing-v1 in its current state doesn't allow clients to explicitly control a queue.
13:45 ManMower: swick[m]: not 100% sure myself. queue control without timestamps is mucky, perhaps completely useless. (vulkan must commit before returning from present, a client using vulkan may want to do commits of its own between those vulkan commits for whatever reason - having them queued on different refresh cycles craps up the framerate...)
14:57 Ermine: Is mr for absolute positioning 247?
15:09 bl4ckb0ne: yes
16:57 wlb: wayland-protocols/main: Andri Yngvason * Add the transient seat protocol https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland-protocols/commit/e1abed62d57f staging/ext-transient-seat/README staging/ext-transient-seat/ext-transient-seat-v1.xml meson.build
16:57 wlb: wayland-protocols Merge request !61 merged \o/ (Add the transient seat protocol https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland-protocols/-/merge_requests/61)