00:00 oldbabyface: ukranians credited for the most of soviets computing, they have nothing
00:00 oldbabyface: russians they haven't got much either, but chinese have a lot
00:00 oldbabyface: Uncle ben from united states are sending military technology to ukranians
00:00 oldbabyface: what a fun situation
00:02 oldbabyface: dudes it's actually totally crazy what work Cornell University did
00:02 oldbabyface: I only wrote, that there is some way, to tap into dma controller
00:02 oldbabyface: and they found the bit and presented all the code too
00:03 oldbabyface: I do not want to deal with this....
00:03 oldbabyface: i am sorry i walk away, probably you frame me into something, then fucking flesh flies again
00:03 oldbabyface: americans are killing something again etc.
00:04 oldbabyface: Do you want something from me, please do not come near me, i am not sure if you want to do something to me
00:05 psykose: go away
00:05 oldbabyface: fuck off pussy, please get lost from my territory i do not want to deal with your scams, i am no one
00:06 oldbabyface: this is a wrong person you are after
00:07 oldbabyface: I do not want to see those documentaries, cause yes, i tend to know that united states had a lead over soviet union
00:07 oldbabyface: yes, it's permanent
00:08 oldbabyface: its not because of people like me losers
00:08 oldbabyface: or winners
00:08 oldbabyface: it's the production that kicked off in united states
00:08 oldbabyface: they produce the most
00:09 oldbabyface: british and united states combined
00:10 oldbabyface: in europe Germany is number one in industry, Dutch number one in electronics, french are also at top with spanients
00:11 oldbabyface: this is a bit different stuff, they control somehow all the market from united states, cause their factories have the strongest throughput
00:13 oldbabyface: This is indeed yes, slightly expected , but why do you want to conflict in between russians ukranians and united states peale at all in the first place, are not you a bit too similar for this, like the same ethnics or what?
00:16 oldbabyface: brothers can't you be , cause you in america roll R's or what?
00:16 bl4ckb0ne: why do you talk politics ina channel dedicated to wayland, its off topic
00:17 oldbabyface: it's not fine, yeah but world war is not that fine, i am going to it with zero pennies, little bit short handed
00:17 oldbabyface: it seems like i do not have direct allies
00:17 oldbabyface: either
00:18 oldbabyface: so i push the theory for humanity, but i did that already
00:18 oldbabyface: i do not want to lead the progress
00:18 oldbabyface: cause i am not the real guy you know
00:18 bl4ckb0ne: who are you joss
00:19 oldbabyface: mart martin yeah but, i just do not have a hand to play that shot
00:19 oldbabyface: Cause the technology that i trim is not mine
00:19 oldbabyface: i know somehow how to handle it yes
00:20 psykose: is there an off switch on the technology
00:20 bl4ckb0ne: its called /ignore
00:21 psykose: that only works if it's not a new name every day :^)
00:21 oldbabyface: off switch there is in electronic circuits yes
00:21 oldbabyface: its magnet button
00:21 oldbabyface: this magnetic button sends a halt signal, but british they structured this all
00:21 oldbabyface: into programming stuff
00:23 oldbabyface: magnet holds a charge yeah, it serves a purpose to give the first initial signal
00:25 oldbabyface: but guys you are in the same situation or what?
00:25 oldbabyface: you also know how to treat computers, but you are short of power and voice to
00:25 oldbabyface: deal with pushing the changes
00:27 oldbabyface: do they pay you to play fool yes?
00:29 oldbabyface: you do not search the solutions , you know them don't you?
00:29 oldbabyface: you only want some strong cite
00:29 oldbabyface: one guy who does say the same
00:29 oldbabyface: yeah computers are very capable
00:29 oldbabyface: they went very far
00:30 oldbabyface: I do not have a ranking in this world
00:31 oldbabyface: i am well respected, but to be honest, i lack a ranking
00:31 oldbabyface: something about the sodiac sign, i am this stubborn very bad sign, that i do not accept less than best
00:31 oldbabyface: this is aries
00:31 oldbabyface: it's very bad and selfish sign
00:32 oldbabyface: so i do calculations like this, i do not want to write javascript, cause it sucks donkey nuts thus far
00:33 oldbabyface: i see brilliantly how to write those things, but i do not like the complexity of those languages and the no performance footprint
00:42 Riolku: Besides a blocking roundtrip, is there any way for me to be sure I have received all the WlShm formats?
00:44 bl4ckb0ne: isnt there a done event
00:54 Riolku: not on wlshm afaict?
01:07 bl4ckb0ne: indeed, there's not
01:07 bl4ckb0ne: would be nice to have
01:25 Riolku: agreed... guess ill do a blocking roundtrip or something
01:35 danieldg: yeah, two roundtrips during app init is the normal way to do it (one for globals, one for shm and any other global that provides initial events)
01:35 bl4ckb0ne: ^
01:35 bl4ckb0ne: you're pretty safe with 2 roundtrips for most protocols
01:38 Riolku: ack, thanks foe the tip
01:39 Riolku: im glad to know its common
02:05 bl4ckb0ne: anybody came across a decent wayland-client symbols loader recently?
02:05 danieldg: symbols?
02:05 bl4ckb0ne: dlopen wayland-client and load some funcs
02:06 danieldg: ... is there a reason not to just use dlopen for it?
02:06 danieldg: or link directly, like most people do
02:08 bl4ckb0ne: i guess
02:59 Riolku: is there a specific reason that wl_surface::frame takes a callback instead of returning an event?
03:10 danieldg: Riolku: it "returns" a callback
03:11 danieldg: Riolku: you allocate a new ID for the callback, and this ID is a new object returned by frame. That new object will have its event issued.
03:13 danieldg: if it were an event, you would always get it even if you didn't need it
03:13 danieldg: also, you couldn't tell *which* commit it corresponded to without further data
03:18 Riolku: Sorry, but why not have wl_surface.rq_frame request that the compositor send a wl_surface.frame event? You can't tell which req_frame call it was without a serial? But... what's the difference between that and a new object id?
03:19 danieldg: I guess you could have frame include a serial, and have frame-event send it back, yes
03:19 danieldg: but that's not how it was done
03:19 Riolku: ok ty
03:20 danieldg: also, with callbacks you can request two frame events for one commit (and this happens sometimes if your client has multiple libraries)
03:20 danieldg: and it's a bit easier to wire up dispatching. None of that *should* leak into the protocol design but I think it did
03:20 Riolku: oh true
03:53 i509vcb: Hmm for a hypothetical libwayland2, how painful would it be to make it all a no-io library (the caller manages io)
03:53 i509vcb: For libwayland-server it
03:53 i509vcb: it's probably easy
03:53 i509vcb: for libwayland-client event queues make it sound miserable
04:00 danieldg: you could move event queues out of the library, though that makes it less flexible for libraries-that-use-libwayland
04:02 danieldg: but just having a decoding and/or callback dispatch happening on a "here's more data and FDs from the socket" function would suffice
04:02 i509vcb: even if we could move queues up a level, there are libraries which depend on libwayland-client like Mesa which very much rely on being able to roundtrip while being dispatched
04:03 danieldg: right, so that would still need to be an indirect dispatch to another thread
04:03 danieldg: (that is how it works now, I assume)
04:04 i509vcb: there is possibly an argument that mesa shouldn't be blocking by doing a roundtrip, but that's essentially going to reinvent poor man's async await
04:04 danieldg: that or you'd have to change those libraries to not need to roundtrip
04:04 danieldg: yep
04:05 danieldg: you could do an event queue just for things like mesa, though - all callbacks just insert into the queue
17:20 android2: Can you help our opensource project. We want the unreal map file types.
17:20 android2: http://sf.net/p/chaosesqueanthology/tickets/2/
17:20 android2: .t3d and .unr file formats (C project, GPL licensed)
17:20 android2:
17:20 android2: and yes this is spam
17:20 android2: seethe faggtots
17:20 android2: Can you help our opensource project. We want the unreal map file types.
17:21 android2: http://sf.net/p/chaosesqueanthology/tickets/2/
17:21 android2: .t3d and .unr file formats (C project, GPL licensed)
17:21 android2:
17:21 android2: oh look we used C too
17:21 android2: you don't like that, right
17:21 android2: Can you help our opensource project. We want the unreal map file types.
17:21 android2: http://sf.net/p/chaosesqueanthology/tickets/2/
17:21 android2: .t3d and .unr file formats (C project, GPL licensed)
18:32 wlb: wayland Issue #412 opened by i509VCB (i509VCB) wl_output identifiers https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland/-/issues/412
19:16 vyivel: any more feedback on https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland/-/merge_requests/269?
20:30 wlb: wayland Merge request !343 opened by 6t8k (6t8k) cursor: memfd_create: try MFD_NOEXEC_SEAL https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland/-/merge_requests/343
23:34 DemiMarie: I am very much of the opinion that anything that blocks on Wayland is broken
23:34 DemiMarie: That includes Mesa, btw.
23:34 DemiMarie: At least to the extent that it is not required by having to conform to existing standards that mandate it.