10:59 MrCooper: immibis ids1024 orowith2os[m]: a rootless WaylandX wouldn't make much more sense than Xorg supporting Wayland, for all the reasons Wayland was created separate from X in the first place
11:30 vincejv: anyone using hexchat on kde wayland? i cant get the icon to showup in task manager, but the system tray icon seems to be there
11:32 vincejv: also some apps are using the generic wayland icon in the task manager instead of their own icon
11:36 dubiousness: vincejv: Hexchat starts without issue on Plasema 5 for me
11:37 dubiousness: I get the generic wayland icon only with some edge-case Wine installations, which might be something to do with xwayland
11:38 dubiousness: Hexchat does appear to be using xwayland by default
11:43 vincejv: do u have the icon for hexchat in the task manager? what i meant task manager is the taskbar/panel
11:50 dubiousness: When I start Hexchat yes
11:52 vincejv: it seems to have been fixed after logging out and logging back in
11:54 vincejv: oh wait i think i know the issue, the taskbar icon disappears after when i hide/unhide the hexchat window thru the system tray icon
22:20 orowith2os[m]: MrCooper: not quite sure I get what you mean
22:20 orowith2os[m]: it would allow Wayland apps to work on non-Xorg setups as well, like the BSDs, where they have their own X server
22:21 orowith2os[m]: (and can't be arsed to strap together everything for a full-on Wayland compositor)
22:22 orowith2os[m]: and I'd love to see more apps (that don't need the full capabilities of X) dropping X code in favor of Wayland and a theoretical WaylandX
22:23 orowith2os[m]: (what would a rootfull WaylandX be anyways???)
22:24 kennylevinsen: orowith2os[m]: it would solely serve for making Wayland-only apps run on X-only setups, as it would not show any of the Wayland benefits. There aren't many such apps yet, and at least FreeBSD runs Wayland so I imagine it'll spread
22:26 orowith2os[m]: having a reason for apps to be Wayland-only seems like a good starting point for creating a WaylandX
22:29 orowith2os[m]: looking at things, as I'm told, there's two reasons for a WaylandX: scaling, and sandbox security
22:30 orowith2os[m]: the native system being on X doesn't matter when sandboxed clients interact with your windowing system by way of Wayland
22:43 immibis: MrCooper: and why wouldn't Xorg supporting Wayland make sense?
23:30 orowith2os[m]: <immibis> "MrCooper: and why wouldn't..." <- More hacky shit on top of Xorg. Why else?
23:31 orowith2os[m]: The X11 protocol is plenty as a client to have Wayland on top of
23:33 immibis: what?