07:25pq: joantolo[m], I would assume that if you get a VESA DisplayHDR 600 or above certified monitor, it should ok, but I have no personal experience on that. I suppose your ability to make your room dark at will would also affect your choice.
07:27pq: JoshuaAshton, I believe OLED is intended to be used in a dark room, so the max nits value does not say much in itself.
07:28pq: what I believe matters is the dynamic range (surprise), something like the ratio between the lowest non-zero luminance (or the luminance step size in the dark end) vs. max luminance
07:30pq: Eyes are not cameras. The human visual system normalizes and adapts a great deal, making absolute luminance measurements neigh irrelevant in isolation from the viewing environment.
07:34pq: If one cannot make the room (the environment) arbitrarily dark at will, then more nits are needed from the monitor, in both dark and bright ends.
07:35pq: JoshuaAshton, ever looked at what the max nits are in movie theatres?
07:38JoshuaAshton: pq: It's not intended to be used in a dark room though, they are sold as normal desktop/gaming displays
07:38JoshuaAshton: The contraint is purely one of temperature and cooling really
07:39JoshuaAshton: Burn-in is literally burn in. :P
07:39pq: sure
07:39pq: but in practice, though?
07:40swick[m]: I have one of those qd oleds and they are basically SDR monitors during the day and HDR during night
07:41pq: swick[m], good to hear, I expected so
07:41pq: https://www.color.org/chardata/rgb/DCIP3.xalter quotes 48 nits for DCI P3. Maybe that's not HDR, but even for SDR compared to monitors it's quite dim.
07:42swick[m]: More people should have them to understand the importance of viewing environment
07:43pq: I'd like to have a QD OLED, but I'm afraid I can't make my office dark enough, and I don't work through the night.
07:44JoshuaAshton: I mean there is a reason the Deck OLED goes up to 1000 nits peak with sustained fullscreen 800 nit :frog: (Lots of people use it outside)
07:45JoshuaAshton: You can even get peak 1000 nit fullscreen if it's instantaneous or < 80% (I think 80% anyway), the 800 nit limit is simply ABL
07:45pq: JoshuaAshton, yes, the environment is paramount.
07:46JoshuaAshton: I use my HDR monitor with an SDR brightness of 600 nits anyway. I like bright and work with the daylight coming in, so these OLEDs are definitely not for me. =)
07:46pq: I imagine engineering a small display to reach that is less of a challenge than a 26" or larger.
07:46JoshuaAshton: For sure
07:47JoshuaAshton: Copper backing the display helps
07:47JoshuaAshton: pressed right up onto the heat pipe
07:49pq: so we agree :-)
07:49JoshuaAshton: Yeah, like I said before it's all about temperature really
07:50JoshuaAshton: Most of these OLED monitors already have pretty decent active cooling
07:50pq: and a dim environment does not need so many nits
07:51pq: daylight, the arch nemesis of emissive displays :-p
07:53JoshuaAshton: pq: For sure, our lowest brightness goes down to like somewhere less than a nit for night-time use
07:53JoshuaAshton: Although that's dim even in bed pitch black, goes way dimmer than my phone
07:55pq: Sounds really nice - you mean at the max-signal luminance?
07:56JoshuaAshton: yeah
07:56JoshuaAshton: Not PQ signal -- the Deck OLED is not a PQ display, it's Gamma 2.2
07:57pq: irrelevant
07:57pq: max is max, regardless what the signal definition is
07:59pq: PQ signal as well is intended to be "scaled" to fit the actual viewing environment, but it seems most monitor models disable contrast and brightess controls, which mean the manufacturer assumes people will change their room lighting to match the standards instead.
08:28kennylevinsen: that sounds awful
08:29pq: It's the only conclusion I've come to.
08:29JoshuaAshton: We have auto backlight and manual brightness control =D
08:31pq: I suspecet TVs might be better at offering the knobs.
08:33kennylevinsen: Depends on the manufacturer, it's not uncommon to have some modes lock out settings, and at least a hisense TV I know of lack manual backlight control altogether - each "mode" just has a set value...
08:33pq: yup
09:14wlb: weston/main: Loïc Molinari * gl-renderer: Remove support for non-quad polygons from clipper https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/weston/commit/bef1f5fd7dea libweston/vertex-clipping.c libweston/vertex-clipping.h tests/vertex-clip-test.c
09:14wlb: weston/main: Loïc Molinari * gl-renderer: Do not expose clipper_clip() in header https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/weston/commit/ce1705435ffb libweston/vertex-clipping.c libweston/vertex-clipping.h tests/vertex-clip-test.c
09:14wlb: weston Merge request !1525 merged \o/ (Clipper: Clean up leftovers https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/weston/-/merge_requests/1525)
09:27joantolo[m]: Thanks for your answers! Very valuable information :)
09:28wlb: weston/main: Jeffy Chen * clients/desktop-shell: Reset panel clock timer everytime https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/weston/commit/523a2b75f179 clients/desktop-shell.c
09:28wlb: weston Merge request !1432 merged \o/ (clients/desktop-shell: Reset panel clock timer everytime https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/weston/-/merge_requests/1432)
10:01wlb: weston Merge request !1526 opened by Loïc Molinari (molinari) gl-renderer: Batch draw calls https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/weston/-/merge_requests/1526
11:34wlb: wayland/main: Hugo Osvaldo Barrera * protocol: clarify divergence in compositor behaviour https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland/commit/26c419e046a7 protocol/wayland.xml
11:34wlb: wayland Merge request !391 merged \o/ (protocol: clarify divergence in compositor behaviour https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland/-/merge_requests/391)
13:46wlb: weston Issue #914 opened by Marius Vlad (mvlad) RFC: Deprecate & remove remoting and pipewire plug-ins/DRM virtual API https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/weston/-/issues/914 [Remoting plug-in], [PipeWire plug-in]
18:59emersion: wayland release time
19:00wlb: wayland/main: Simon Ser * build: bump to version 1.23.0 for the official release https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland/commit/a156431ea66f meson.build
19:01wlb: wayland New tag: 1.23.0 https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland/tags/1.23.0
19:06vyivel: \o/
19:07wlb: wayland/main: Simon Ser * build: re-open main branch for regular development https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland/commit/1d5772b7b9d0 meson.build
19:07jadahl: thanks emersion !
19:07emersion: np :)
19:08wlb: wayland.freedesktop.org/main: Simon Ser * releases: add wayland 1.23.0 https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland.freedesktop.org/commit/590552d8a67e releases.html
19:28Ermine:throws release confetti
19:43bl4ckb0ne: are those bio-degradable and environment friendly
20:55wlb: wayland-protocols Merge request !316 opened by Simon Ser (emersion) readme: s/Makefile.am/meson.build/ https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland-protocols/-/merge_requests/316
20:57wlb: wayland-protocols/main: Simon Ser * readme: s/Makefile.am/meson.build/ https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland-protocols/commit/1c36a3f3ca2d README.md
20:57wlb: wayland-protocols Merge request !316 merged \o/ (readme: s/Makefile.am/meson.build/ https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland-protocols/-/merge_requests/316)
21:00wlb: wayland-protocols Merge request !317 opened by Simon Ser (emersion) readme: use references for links https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland-protocols/-/merge_requests/317